Ongoing questions about Obama's birth certificate

Re: Ongoing questions about Obama's birth certificate

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:04 pm

traderfjp wrote:Remember that Bush and Greenspan created the problems we have now. Stimulus has more of a psychological effect than anything else. The government took a stand that it would do whatever it takes to keep this country from dire straights. Obama is a good man who is trying to tackle the tough issues that past presidents have kicked along to the next president. By the way his birth certificate has been examined and was deemed to be genuine also his parents took out a blurb in a Hawaiin paper touting their new son's birth. Let it go. You lost the race and instead of slinging dodo get behind your president and help him fight the fight for a better country.


Wow. This is the funniest thing I've read in this thread! Blaming the previous administration is doing exactly what you accuse the "birthers" of!

No love for Clinton? How about all the way back to 1913 when the Federal Reserve was created on Christmas Eve with almost no one in Congress? Read "The Creature From Jekyll Island" by G. Edward Griffin for the full scoop on that.

And you're right, the stimulus has had a psychological effect. I look at my children and think about their lives in slavery to pay back the trillions of interest on it.

If you think Obama has done what is needed to keep this country out of dire straights, I hope you'll share. Because all I see is more spending, more taxes and more debt.

As far as the Hawaiian birth announcement, who told you his parents took it out? I see birth announcements from parents of people who live out of town all the time. And between the "birth certificate" and the newspaper ad, how come no mention of a hospital? I've heard two different answers but nothing concrete. My BC has the name of the hospital. How come not BHO's?

I've said this before, the birthers are welcome to ask the question, but if they get the answer they want, that means the rest of us get President Biden and I don't think anything will change in that case.
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Re: Ongoing questions about Obama's birth certificate

PostBy: traderfjp On: Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:06 pm

The spending is suppose to help the country keep jobs, balance budgets, create confidence in the financial markets, keep our educational system from being severely curtailed, etc. I'm nervous about all the spending too but if the administration did nothing where would we be. I don't blame the past administration for our deficit although all those wars certainly drained our pockets. It has been a culmination of poor judgment and no restraint on the part of our politicians. I do blame Greenspan and SEC for the housing bubble and allowing banks and mortgage companies to work on ratios for lending that could have caused a depression. Bush was for deregulation and when no one is watching the candy store it gets looted. If the ultra rich can spread some of the wealth we could pay for some of the social programs that are being touted. Shouldn't Americans be more outraged that 90% of the wealth is in the hands of 10% of the nation? Think if we could just take 10% of that wealth and re-distribute it to our nation. Why must we all be so greedy? What the hell are birthers.
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Re: Ongoing questions about Obama's birth certificate

PostBy: rberq On: Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:12 pm

lowfog01 wrote:If Obama has one, produce it to the Chief Justice; he swore Obama in after all.

This argument cuts both ways. One would hope that the Chief Justice would not have performed the swearing-in (twice!) if he had concerns.
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Re: Ongoing questions about Obama's birth certificate

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:02 pm

traderfjp wrote:The spending is suppose to help the country keep jobs, balance budgets, create confidence in the financial markets, keep our educational system from being severely curtailed, etc. I'm nervous about all the spending too but if the administration did nothing where would we be.


Wrong. The stimulus was for "shovel ready projects". Remember that phrase?

It was specifically NOT meant to plug hole in budgets. Which where most of it went and why it produced no measurable results.

GWB's stimulus went to bailout banks. BHO was supposed to be the second coming of FDR and his stimulus was supposed to replicate the AAA, the TVA, and the whole alphabet soup.

Now here's where we are. Exactly where we would have been if we DIDN'T spend the money except further in debt.
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Re: Ongoing questions about Obama's birth certificate

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:14 pm

ErikLaurence wrote:The ball is in your court.


http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.


"I don't think so Tim"

AFAIK this is the only organization the original document was given too, it's supposed to be non partisan group but I know questions have already been brought up whether that's the case. Having said that relying on one source for authentication in such an important issue is highly unreliable no matter how credible they are. This issue should have been put to bed a long time ago, they should have either produced it to anyone that wanted to see it (within reason) or came clean if there wasn't a real one.

I'm not going to argue the point whether he's a natural born citizen or not based on that document. I know my birth certificate wouldn't hold up to that scrutiny, not even close. What I think is the document is bogus but I don't think that's grounds for saying he's not natural born either. When this issue first came up they were probably scrambling around to stifle it and had to produce a document. Now that the election is over it's like a weight around their neck and release of it will prove that it's not authentic which is going to cause a *censored* storm which is why they have been fighting it's release since day 1.

The fact is if it's real they only have to hand it over to the courts where it can be independently verified and we can then set this issue to rest but the mere fact they have been fighting this every step of the way certainly is reason enough to raise suspicions.
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Re: Ongoing questions about Obama's birth certificate

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:25 pm

A well thought out and reasoned response. Now we know why you are the mayor! ;) :D
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Re: Ongoing questions about Obama's birth certificate

PostBy: traderfjp On: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:27 pm

"shovel ready projects". Yes, I remember the term but I also remember that only a percentage of the money was earmarked for job creation. This was something I wasn't thrilled about because I felt we needed more money in this area. According to leading economist our economy is stabalizing.
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Re: Ongoing questions about Obama's birth certificate

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:38 pm

traderfjp wrote:. According to leading economist our economy is stabalizing.


According to "leading economists" the real estate bubble wasn't going to pop and the credit market wasn't going to dry up. You might want to be careful which economists you listen to.

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Re: Ongoing questions about Obama's birth certificate

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:40 pm

traderfjp wrote:According to leading economist our economy is stabalizing.


Until the brunt of all the tax increases comes to bear. I just put a motorcycle on the road & realized that the state decided to jack up the cost of a title from $50 to $75. Next month, sales tax goes from 5% to 6.25%. Property values are dropping like a rock, while my taxes increase by 5% or more every single year. I pay enough every month for health insurance that my wife could be driving a new Cadillac .... yet, I just got a bill for my doctors appointment for $70 -- on top of the $20 co-pay I just paid.

I thought when Obama got elected, all our troubles would be over??? Liberals danced in the streets rejoicing, while trying to rub it in Republicans faces like spoiled children ( not surprising, since that's how they acted when Bush got elected the second time ), yet our taxes continue to rise at an astronomical rate in the midst of the worst recession in decades.

And just wait until Obama & the loony left-wingers pass the cap & trade bullshit --- on top of all these taxes, your going to be paying as much for energy as I am for health care.

NOW THAT'S CHANGE I CAN DO WITHOUT!
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Re: Ongoing questions about Obama's birth certificate

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:45 pm

Natural-born means just that. Those of you who use the " well they must have checked theory" are as wrong as all the ass-umers who thought jets were scrambled as planes kept hitting american targets...

Lisa is not only right but better than that there are countless people who are so wrong for allowing this question to have gone on this long. I hope it continues to the point of this bum being kicked out on his ass. He is indeed usless as a representitive of our once great nation and people and disgusts me.

opinions are cool 8-)
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Re: Ongoing questions about Obama's birth certificate

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:44 am

I can`t help but wonder when this is going to be put to rest, I think that for some if they got to see the b.c. in person they would still say it was fake. I also can`t remember a big debate when both Bush & Cheny got in, the fact that they both lived in Texas was just waved away with slight of hand & that is also( I believe) in the Constitution. There`s enough blame all around in both parties for a long time & all I hear is we shouldn`t be doing this or that but not what we should.
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Re: Ongoing questions about Obama's birth certificate

PostBy: djackman On: Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:10 am

Say the certificate is proved to be fake, Obama is set on a raft in the North Atlantic with no oars. Now what?

You've still got a govm't full of elected officials who certainly aren't acting in your best interest regardless of party affiliation.
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Re: Ongoing questions about Obama's birth certificate

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:07 pm

djackman wrote:Say the certificate is proved to be fake, Obama is set on a raft in the North Atlantic with no oars. Now what?


I certainly hope that doesn't happen, the last thing we need is "Birthgate".
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Re: Ongoing questions about Obama's birth certificate

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:48 pm

Richard S. wrote:
The fact is if it's real they only have to hand it over to the courts where it can be independently verified and we can then set this issue to rest but the mere fact they have been fighting this every step of the way certainly is reason enough to raise suspicions.


The question is how will the court "verify" it?

They'll call the state of Hawaii, specifically Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka, who has already said it's real.


Now if you can produce state department records showing Ann Dunham (Obama's mother) was out of the country on August 4, 1961 then you might have something. But ask yourself this, did Obama's mother even hold a passport in 1961? There's no mention in biographical data that she ever left the US until she went to Indonesia with her 2nd husband.
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Re: Ongoing questions about Obama's birth certificate

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:33 pm

I just checked my bc, oh well there goes my plans for 2012. Then again I might not want to run anyway, there wouldn`t be anyone else to blame but myself. Now I`ll be too busy trying to figure out who I am & where I came from, with both parents (or at least I think they were my parents) gone I can`t ask them. Should have never started reading this subject now I have a lot of investegating to do.
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