Ongoing questions about Obama's birth certificate

Re: Ongoing questions about Obama's birth certificate

PostBy: rberq On: Thu May 12, 2011 8:49 pm

lsayre wrote:... the Swiss ... leave others alone and therefore others leave them alone ...

An interesting argument, but I don't see where the one necessarily follows from the other. The first example that comes to mind is American Indians, who never were known to paddle their canoes across the Atlantic and annoy the Europeans. Their restraint did not result in Europeans leaving them alone.

As for the Swiss, I believe they did more than just "leave others alone" during WW2 -- in addition to leaving others alone they adopted a strong, armed defensive position. Would that work for the US? Perhaps it's worth a try.
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Re: Ongoing questions about Obama's birth certificate

PostBy: lsayre On: Thu May 12, 2011 8:52 pm

My answer:

The country functioned rather well until roughly (if not exactly) 1913 when we got:
1) Election of Senators by the people.
2) The federal Reserve and its minion banking system (and fiat paper money, etc...).
3) The Federal Income Tax

My question:

Why (and how) was it that this great nation rose from being almost nothing to its achievement of such world economic dominance before all of the above?

My bonus question:

Why (and how) did we do such a great job of balancing the budget and keeping inflation at near zero (actually below zero, as there was mild deflation overall) prior to 1913, while failing miserably to do so post 1913?
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Re: Ongoing questions about Obama's birth certificate

PostBy: lsayre On: Thu May 12, 2011 8:55 pm

rberq wrote:As for the Swiss, I believe they did more than just "leave others alone" during WW2 -- in addition to leaving others alone they adopted a strong, armed defensive position. Would that work for the US? Perhaps it's worth a try.


Amen!
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Re: Ongoing questions about Obama's birth certificate

PostBy: samhill On: Thu May 12, 2011 9:09 pm

I don`t argue much about your time frame & if I`m correct it was mostly Morgan & other million or billionaires of the time that created it using fear(sound familiar). Unfortunately we have come a long way since then, it`s good to know where things started but we are no longer at that point so we have to start from now. Thats why I`m asking how you propose to do it.
Also the Germans would have loved to take the Swiss but with the defenses & sacrifices to Swiss were prepared to make it would have taken the Germans years if ever to do it & time was something they didn`t want to spend. The Swiss were all prepared for decades before.
We now have a Gov. that can`t agree on lunch yet alone how to get back on track. I think a flat tax with zero deductions for all able bodied & businesses would be a good start.
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Re: Ongoing questions about Obama's birth certificate

PostBy: lsayre On: Thu May 12, 2011 9:15 pm

samhill wrote:I don`t argue much about your time frame & if I`m correct it was mostly Morgan & other million or billionaires of the time that created it using fear(sound familiar). Unfortunately we have come a long way since then, it`s good to know where things started but we are no longer at that point so we have to start from now. Thats why I`m asking how you propose to do it.


I propose to do it by reversing all of the things that have led to the debasement of the Republic and its subsequent devolution into a (social and/or fascist) Democracy. See my list of things that a real 'Tea Party' should believe in for my answer. Perhaps this should start with a new Constitutional Convention?
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Re: Ongoing questions about Obama's birth certificate

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Thu May 12, 2011 9:16 pm

rberq wrote:
lowfog01 wrote:I for one have no doubt that BHO will bump Jimmy Carter and go down as the most damaging President ever to sit in the White House.

JC (the 2nd, not the original) did not do much damage, he just was not overly effective. Even then he would have been a two-termer if his helicopters had worked as well as BHO's. And W is the prime candidate for most damage ever. How much did it cost for BHO to actually get rid of OBL a couple weeks ago? How much money and lives did it cost for W's needless and ineffectual war in Iraq? Which one of the two spoke softly and carried a big stick?

I lv ths intls. Shd I tk up txtng?


I don't agree that JC would have been a two termer if the hostage rescue had worked. You forget people then couldn't use anything thing Carter did to feed their families or put gas in the car anymore than killing OBL is going to put food on the table or gas in my car today. BHO's bump for the successful SEAL operation is already gone.

I for one would not like to go back to the 70s. I guess your definition of damage is different from mine. I'm sure that some of us on the forum were new to the job market or just married trying to buy a house under Carter's administration. I'm sure they felt damaged by the Carter administration. I know my parents did trying to raise 6 kids on 1 salary. 18% on home mortages and gas lines wrapped around the corner aren't my idea of a good time. The money they spent just keeping up with inflation has never been recovered. Just out of curiosity have you been to the grocery store lately? I went last night. I didn't buy but about 1/2 as I usually do since we aren't going to be home this weekend and the final bill was more then I normally spend for an entire week's supplies. And this administration does nothing because of too many things to go into here. Let's just say the Obama administration has done nothing to put solid, problem solving solutions into effect that could really turn this economy around. To paraphrase Bill Clinton, it's the economy that matters and if I can't feed my family with it or put it in my gas tank, it doesn't keep my attention very long.

Just a point, how could you say Bush was the worst president ever? Granted he had his problems, but you'd have a hard time convincing me of that he was the worst since we were able to raise 3 kids, have a decent house and two cars all on one salary. What did Chico Marx say, "Who are you going to believe? Me or your own eyes? My eyes are showing me something totally different then what you are selling. Lisa
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Re: Ongoing questions about Obama's birth certificate

PostBy: samhill On: Thu May 12, 2011 9:35 pm

Not to totally disagree Lisa, I bought my first house in the 70s, new car & had two children, work was good. To some degree it all depends in what part of the country you were in. The desert raid problems were all the fault of being too secret, they kept the fact that they were flying low level over sand from the crewchiefs who would have installed the sand filters. But thats besides the point. For the steel industry everything was good until the 80s when most of the steel plants in this country shut down. This current recession is the first nationwide one that I can remember. A recession is when your neighbors are out of work, a depression is when both your neighbors & yourself are. We were extremely close to a depression IMO. The main thing the country needs right now is employment right here, in country, money made & spent in country, at times you have to spend a buck to make a buck. Put people to work & you`ll get money back.
On the next subject do you think you could just one day sign into law all these changes you want made & not have a war right here within? Once we have gone this far wrong I think people would have to be weaned off of all the give-a-ways gradually. S.S. would still be OK if the Gov. would keep their greedy mitts off.
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Re: Ongoing questions about Obama's birth certificate

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Thu May 12, 2011 10:28 pm

You peeps need to reread your posts...there great!!!! Lisa you especially need to look over your post. One minute you post an AP opinion the next you disavow the AP opinion....I love it!!! lol.......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWAwRonl ... re=related

You folks need to run for office...this country might not get any better but it sure would be a lot of fun!!!!!! Of course the Mexicans and Blacks might not think much of it....lol

How big of a prison can we build for ourselves???? How high can the walls be built before we become a prisoner of our own demise.....lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWAwRonl ... re=related

One other thing I ask...What other country besides ourselves travels halfway around the globe to destroy other peoples homes and lively hood....and yet we are the scaredycats...don't you get it we are living on borrowed time. We are the *censored* of the glode...We owe everybody....we bomb everybody...were was Palin 4 years ago with her "drill baby drill" motto. I know where she was...shacking up with bush so that they could jack the prices sky high...you mean to tell me an oil man didn't see this *censored* coming!!!!

Where is that worthless piece of *censored* Bush!!!! I Know where he is Hiding so he doesn't get caught for War Crimes!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWAwRonl ... re=related
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Re: Ongoing questions about Obama's birth certificate

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Thu May 12, 2011 10:55 pm

You folks need to run for office...this country might not get any better but it sure would be a lot of fun!!!!!! Of course the Mexicans and Blacks might not think much of it....lol

Are you accusing other members taking part in this discussion of being racist?
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Re: Ongoing questions about Obama's birth certificate

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Fri May 13, 2011 3:12 am

Wood'nCoal wrote:
You folks need to run for office...this country might not get any better but it sure would be a lot of fun!!!!!! Of course the Mexicans and Blacks might not think much of it....lol

Are you accusing other members taking part in this discussion of being racist?



I don't see anything here that has the words "Racist" I made an observation..is that against the rules???? Sure does seem like this is a one sided situation....I get a good laugh and somebody says "racist" unbelievable.......
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Re: Ongoing questions about Obama's birth certificate

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Fri May 13, 2011 5:56 am

jeromemsn wrote:You peeps need to reread your posts...there great!!!! Lisa you especially need to look over your post. One minute you post an AP opinion the next you disavow the AP opinion....I love it!!! lol.......


Why don't you quote me if you can prove I've done as you say? Let's put my posting in context and see what I've actually said and done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWAwRonl ... re=related

jeromemsn wrote:You folks need to run for office...this country might not get any better but it sure would be a lot of fun!!!!!! Of course the Mexicans and Blacks might not think much of it....lol.


I find it interesting that you always manage to bring the conversation around to race. Why is that? I'll try to answer that. The Race Card is the last great refuge for folks who can't make a convincing argument. You certainly fit that description. Give it a rest, racism certainly exist in our culture but not among intelligent individuals. Besides being just wrong from a social stand point, being a racist is counterproductive to economic growth which is why Republicans forced the passage of every major civil right law seen in this country. That's a fact. Robert Byrd wasn't a Republican now was he? Hey, Martin Luther King, was- what a concept!

jeromemsn wrote:How big of a prison can we build for ourselves???? How high can the walls be built before we become a prisoner of our own demise.....lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWAwRonl ... re=related

One other thing I ask...What other country besides ourselves travels halfway around the globe to destroy other peoples homes and lively hood....and yet we are the scaredycats...don't you get it we are living on borrowed time. We are the *censored* of the glode...We owe everybody....we bomb everybody...were was Palin 4 years ago with her "drill baby drill" motto. I know where she was...shacking up with bush so that they could jack the prices sky high...you mean to tell me an oil man didn't see this *censored* coming!!!!

Where is that worthless piece of *censored* Bush!!!! I Know where he is Hiding so he doesn't get caught for War Crimes!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWAwRonl ... re=related


The rest of your piddle isn't worth responding too. Is this supposed to be intelligent input into the conversation? Where's the documentation to support your claims? In my opinion your comments here come very close to libel. You should be careful about that. Someone might sue you for all the money you are so busy counting. Lisa
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Re: Ongoing questions about Obama's birth certificate

PostBy: freetown fred On: Fri May 13, 2011 7:17 am

I'm beginning to beleive that there has been an unfortunate injury involved here & massive amounts of medication has been prescribed effecting clarity of thought. :( Get well my friend.
jeromemsn wrote:You peeps need to reread your posts...there great!!!! Lisa you especially need to look over your post. One minute you post an AP opinion the next you disavow the AP opinion....I love it!!! lol.......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWAwRonl ... re=related

You folks need to run for office...this country might not get any better but it sure would be a lot of fun!!!!!! Of course the Mexicans and Blacks might not think much of it....lol

How big of a prison can we build for ourselves???? How high can the walls be built before we become a prisoner of our own demise.....lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWAwRonl ... re=related

One other thing I ask...What other country besides ourselves travels halfway around the globe to destroy other peoples homes and lively hood....and yet we are the scaredycats...don't you get it we are living on borrowed time. We are the *censored* of the glode...We owe everybody....we bomb everybody...were was Palin 4 years ago with her "drill baby drill" motto. I know where she was...shacking up with bush so that they could jack the prices sky high...you mean to tell me an oil man didn't see this *censored* coming!!!!

Where is that worthless piece of *censored* Bush!!!! I Know where he is Hiding so he doesn't get caught for War Crimes!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWAwRonl ... re=related
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Re: Ongoing questions about Obama's birth certificate

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Fri May 13, 2011 8:47 am

the three letters p o s is better used in this section of the forum as your cursing is against the rules there, race guy.... ;)

"LYE" soap cleans the inside of the mouth...... they have lye in michigan dont they???? they sure have it across the street in chi town 8-)

the pres used it after forging his app for head dude.....



I forget, what high school did he graduate from??? was that even here in the USA ? I bet most of us , those that went, graduated from a school in our "home" town.....

where did barry graduate from??? was he a cub scout? Boy scout??? or a snake charmer..... 8-)
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Re: Ongoing questions about Obama's birth certificate

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Fri May 13, 2011 10:07 am

Did the Tea Baggers and Birthers disband???? Not much on the news of them anymore........I just got the memo...Beck is now there front running candidate....Way to go Beck....you found a place you can...well you found a place...............lol

The tea party has a ticker on there site and on it it says that they are "the number one party" good thing they left that statement openended........

http://theteaparty.net/?cdtrack_creativ ... KgodfzZgEw
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Re: Ongoing questions about Obama's birth certificate

PostBy: freetown fred On: Fri May 13, 2011 10:28 am

One good thing about Beck is that at least he is a recovering alcoholic/addict which is more then I can say I see with barry's band of mezmerized supporters ;)
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