Ongoing questions about Obama's birth certificate

Davian wrote:

ruger1980 wrote:CNG is still only practical in certain areas and applications. For me it would never work due the vast areas I travel.

There are definitely limitations on it but it could easily be used to massively cut back on gasoline consumption in urban areas and for heating.

The biggest limitation is the storage on a vehicle. The tanks take up a lot of room they are talking about it for busses and such. P&G uses it for a lot of their vehicles in Mehoopany and of coarse the gas companies are using it for a portion of there vehiclesas well. With todays prices I believe it is equivalent to $1.90/gal gasoline approx.

Flyer5 wrote:

Davian wrote:

ruger1980 wrote:CNG is still only practical in certain areas and applications. For me it would never work due the vast areas I travel.

There are definitely limitations on it but it could easily be used to massively cut back on gasoline consumption in urban areas and for heating.

The biggest limitation is the storage on a vehicle. The tanks take up a lot of room they are talking about it for busses and such. P&G uses it for a lot of their vehicles in Mehoopany and of coarse the gas companies are using it for a portion of there vehiclesas well. With todays prices I believe it is equivalent to $1.90/gal gasoline approx.

Yeah, a lot of buses/metro systems use it...works quite well for them. For an urban owner, I could foresee a system where you get a fill up pump at your house attached to your natural gas line...that type of infrastructure wouldn't cost all that much since the gas lines are already there. It'd be much the same as the ideas for fast-charge systems for electric cars.

I still don't understand why this shouldn't be more popular. If I win the lottery, I'll have one.

That may depend upon which lottery you win, and whether or not you are the only winner. if anyone is sharing the pot with you, forget it (that is, unless its taxpayer subsidized).

Just getting 1 tracking panel for a residence isnt too bad...something like $15K once the subsidies are accounted for. That's about a 15 year ROI from what I've read...even in VT where solar isn't the greatest option due to our beautiful weather.

Davian wrote:Just getting 1 tracking panel for a residence isnt too bad...something like $15K once the subsidies are accounted for. That's about a 15 year ROI from what I've read...even in VT where solar isn't the greatest option due to our beautiful weather.

But what is the cost if you want the entire video package of fuel cell, hydrogen maker, etc... (the setup that the guy in the video said will be affordable by the average Joe within about 15 years).

PS: Someone already figured out that there are not enough reserves of platinum on or in the earth to provide most of mankind with a fuel cell (let alone one for the car, one for the wifes car, the kids cars, the truck, one or more for the house, etc...). I know they have already made them platinum free, but they are not nearly as good as the platinum ones which aren't very good.

PPS: 15 years ago they said fuel cells would be affordable by now. If you have about a half a million dollars you might be able to bag one for yourself. It may be sufficient to power the tiny car in the video, but it (and you) will be in trouble soon if you can't re-fuel it with hydrogen. But the hydrogen maker is probably more costly than the fuel cell. And if the car runs out of juice 20 miles from home you get to push it back and re-fuel it. Good thing it's small.

lsayre wrote:

Davian wrote:Just getting 1 tracking panel for a residence isnt too bad...something like $15K once the subsidies are accounted for. That's about a 15 year ROI from what I've read...even in VT where solar isn't the greatest option due to our beautiful weather.

But what is the cost if you want the entire video package of fuel cell, hydrogen maker, etc... (the setup that the guy in the video said will be affordable by the average Joe within about 15 years).

PS: Someone already figured out that there are not enough reserves of platinum on or in the earth to provide most of mankind with a fuel cell (let alone one for the car, one for the wifes car, the kids cars, the truck, one or more for the house, etc...). I know they have already made them platinum free, but they are not nearly as good as the platinum ones which aren't very good.

PPS: 15 years ago they said fuel cells would be affordable by now. If you have about a half a million dollars you might be able to bag one for yourself. It may be sufficient to power the tiny car in the video, but it (and you) will be in trouble soon if you can't re-fuel it with hydrogen. But the hydrogen maker is probably more costly than the fuel cell. And if the car runs out of juice 20 miles from home you get to push it back and re-fuel it. Good thing it's small.

Yeah, that would be prohibitive at best. Fuel cells are kinda like controlled fusion on that affordability. 50 years ago, they said we'd have controlled fusion in 50 years...if you ask now, they say we'll have it in about 50 more years.

A simple solar setup for supplementary power is doable though.

But it's dreams like the fuel cell that the Obama administration is placing its bets on. There isn't enough honestly earned by hard labor wealth out there to subsidize this stuff.

lsayre wrote:
PS: Someone already figured out that there are not enough reserves of platinum on or in the earth to provide most of mankind with a fuel cell (let alone one for the car, one for the wifes car, the kids cars, the truck, one or more for the house, etc...). I know they have already made them platinum free, but they are not nearly as good as the platinum ones which aren't very good..

Does that include all the platinum they magically "found" in Afghanistan?

Maybe if Obama had give you and me the money to buy Solyndra solar panels, we'd have cheap electricity and they'd still be in business.