Where should I get coal?

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Where should I get coal?

PostBy: Skinsfan On: Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:59 pm

I'm new to burning coal. This will be my first year. I've got a new Mark III set up and ready to go. I've got a coal bin built and ready to be loaded, but I know nothing about purchasing coal. I live just outside of Harrisburg, PA. I've gotten prices from Wertz Caol Yard in Mechanicsburg, Mideletown Ice and Coal in Middletown, PA, and Meadowbrook Coal Co in Lykens, PA. Meadowbrook has the best price. Their coal is actually $170/ton, whereas the other two places charge a liitle over $200/ton. I was planning on picking it up myself to save a few bucks. Is there a big differenc ein quality from one place to another? I didn't ask what type of coal they each sell and they didn't say when I was asking for prices. Any help is appreciated!
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Re: Where should I get coal?

PostBy: tsb On: Sat Aug 01, 2009 10:17 pm

Meadowbrook is a good bet if you can pick it up yourself. I burned
their coal for a number of years. It's southern range coal and a little
more volatile than most, but it burns easy and completely.
You have to figure your cost per mile and price per ton and go from there.

Good luck this winter.

Tom
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Re: Where should I get coal?

PostBy: coal berner On: Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:46 pm

Skinsfan wrote:I'm new to burning coal. This will be my first year. I've got a new Mark III set up and ready to go. I've got a coal bin built and ready to be loaded, but I know nothing about purchasing coal. I live just outside of Harrisburg, PA. I've gotten prices from Wertz Caol Yard in Mechanicsburg, Mideletown Ice and Coal in Middletown, PA, and Meadowbrook Coal Co in Lykens, PA. Meadowbrook has the best price. Their coal is actually $170/ton, whereas the other two places charge a liitle over $200/ton. I was planning on picking it up myself to save a few bucks. Is there a big differenc ein quality from one place to another? I didn't ask what type of coal they each sell and they didn't say when I was asking for prices. Any help is appreciated!

Try these breakers they have better coal and are cheaper some will be closer then others check your map and see which
ones will be cheaper for you to goto and Pick up. As far as Meadowbrook Coal Co If you like burning alot of Refuse coal
that would be the Place to goto. They sell alot of there coal to Kimmel coal co aswell . Note All breaker's can be Found off of I-81 or you can use the Route Number Back Roads .


They are on Route 225 about 12 miles west of Shamokin PA. 140 a ton Picked up


They are about 15 East of Calvin V. Lenig take Route 225 to Route 61 145.00 A ton Picked up.


about 3.5 miles south of UAE Harmony Mine on Route 901 155.00 a ton Picked up they also sell bagged coal.


On Route 25 Price unknown


Up the Road from Pine creek coal co. abot 2.5 miles 160.00 a ton Picked up


2.5 miles from I-81 exit 107 rote 209 160 a ton Picked up


1/2 mile from Exit 112 I-81 Route 25 150 a ton Picked up


Exit 107 I-81 Route 209 13 miles from I-81 170.00 a ton


Exit 104 I-81 Route 125 170 a ton Picked up bulk loose they also sell bagged coal. Call first for bagged coal
limited storage on bagged coal.
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Re: Where should I get coal?

PostBy: Skinsfan On: Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:35 pm

I appreciate the links! Question, what is refuse coal? As I said before, I'm new to coal burning. Thanks.
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Re: Where should I get coal?

PostBy: tsb On: Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:14 pm

Years ago, all they sold from the mines was the larger sizes of coal.
The smaller stuff and the shale was piled up and left for dead.
Today with rice and even smaller sizes in demand, they are going
back through the piles and reclaiming the smaller coal. Some people
feel that this coal is somehow inferior. The coal originally came the
same underground mines that they are using today.
I've used Meadowbrook for years and prefer it to the harder northern coal.
When I first started using coal, Lehigh Valley was supposed to be the finest
coal available. It was like trying to burn granite.
Kimmels only sells bagged coal, but it would be similar to Meadowbrook.

Good Luck

Tom
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Re: Where should I get coal?

PostBy: coal berner On: Mon Aug 03, 2009 12:02 am

tsb wrote:Years ago, all they sold from the mines was the larger sizes of coal.
The smaller stuff and the shale was piled up and left for dead.
Today with rice and even smaller sizes in demand, they are going
back through the piles and reclaiming the smaller coal. Some people
feel that this coal is somehow inferior. The coal originally came the
same underground mines that they are using today.
I've used Meadowbrook for years and prefer it to the harder northern coal.
When I first started using coal, Lehigh Valley was supposed to be the finest
coal available. It was like trying to burn granite.
Kimmels only sells bagged coal, but it would be similar to Meadowbrook.

Good Luck

Tom

Medowbrook sells alot of their coal to kimmel Scott kimmel also had investments in Medowbrook coal co/breaker .
Kimmel is also up forsale or lease .
Most if not all Refuse coal would be from Rice size down some will have Pea size in it . Back in the day all of the stoves furnaces boiler where hand fired units which burned Pea Nut Stove Egg & Canal size coal anything smaller was tossed on the banks with the wasted silk dirt & rock. If you are referring to The Old Lehigh Vally Coal co. / LC & N that is still in the Middle coal field & Part of the Southern coal field. Not the Northern The Notrthern field starts at Hartville and goes
up to Forest city . look at the link below it will tell you and show you where the Anthracite fields are.

http://books.google.com/books?id=BR9DAA ... q=&f=false
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Re: Where should I get coal?

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:37 am

Some people feel that this coal is somehow inferior. The coal originally came the
same underground mines that they are using today.


Problem is that it has been sitting outside for 50 or more years, time and the elements have done a number on the coal. It ain't what it once was.

http://books.google.com/books?id=BR9DAA ... q=&f=false


How the hell did you find that?
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Re: Where should I get coal?

PostBy: 009to090 On: Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:00 am

coal berner wrote:http://books.google.com/books?id=BR9DAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA5&lpg=PA5&dq=maps+of+Southern+anthracite+coal+field&source=bl&ots=a9iYsYfEho&sig=dxswCldFcidb5yY_BplP4SlizAg&hl=en&ei=HFd2Srm0CIH8tgeKwtmWCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2#v=onepage&q=&f=false


Wow, printed in 1901. Still valid?
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Re: Where should I get coal?

PostBy: Yanche On: Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:04 am

DVC500 at last wrote:
coal berner wrote:http://books.google.com/books?id=BR9DAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA5&lpg=PA5&dq=maps+of+Southern+anthracite+coal+field&source=bl&ots=a9iYsYfEho&sig=dxswCldFcidb5yY_BplP4SlizAg&hl=en&ei=HFd2Srm0CIH8tgeKwtmWCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2#v=onepage&q=&f=false


Wow, printed in 1901. Still valid?
Very interesting book on the Anthracite Industry a century ago. Be sure to use the "pdf link" to download the entire text.

Even more interesting than all the Anthracite facts is the last chapter, "Chapter XII REFLECTIONS". The authors opinion about, the capitalistic system, labor relations, public conscience, the "Anthracite Syndicate, etc. In my opinion a must read for all, much of it applies to today's business/government environment, a century after it was written! Will we ever learn from history?
A great find coal berner.
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Re: Where should I get coal?

PostBy: coal berner On: Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:09 pm

Wood'nCoal wrote:
Some people feel that this coal is somehow inferior. The coal originally came the
same underground mines that they are using today.


Problem is that it has been sitting outside for 50 or more years, time and the elements have done a number on the coal. It ain't what it once was.

http://books.google.com/books?id=BR9DAA ... q=&f=false


How the hell did you find that?


wood you should know by now that I collect alot of stuff on Anthracite history I have many old books Maps and tons of other stuff related to Anthracite Mining I am far from a newbie on the subject ;)
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Re: Where should I get coal?

PostBy: coal berner On: Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:16 pm

DVC500 at last wrote:
coal berner wrote:http://books.google.com/books?id=BR9DAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA5&lpg=PA5&dq=maps+of+Southern+anthracite+coal+field&source=bl&ots=a9iYsYfEho&sig=dxswCldFcidb5yY_BplP4SlizAg&hl=en&ei=HFd2Srm0CIH8tgeKwtmWCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2#v=onepage&q=&f=false


Wow, printed in 1901. Still valid?

Of course it is still Valid the coal fields have not moved since they were created Just got a little smaller from coal mining
Even today they still deep mine like they did 200 + Years ago for the most part the big different is today it is much safer
then it was years ago . but still dangerous
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Re: Where should I get coal?

PostBy: coal berner On: Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:28 pm

Yanche wrote:
DVC500 at last wrote:
coal berner wrote:http://books.google.com/books?id=BR9DAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA5&lpg=PA5&dq=maps+of+Southern+anthracite+coal+field&source=bl&ots=a9iYsYfEho&sig=dxswCldFcidb5yY_BplP4SlizAg&hl=en&ei=HFd2Srm0CIH8tgeKwtmWCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2#v=onepage&q=&f=false


Wow, printed in 1901. Still valid?
Very interesting book on the Anthracite Industry a century ago. Be sure to use the "pdf link" to download the entire text.

Even more interesting than all the Anthracite facts is the last chapter, "Chapter XII REFLECTIONS". The authors opinion about, the capitalistic system, labor relations, public conscience, the "Anthracite Syndicate, etc. In my opinion a must read for all, much of it applies to today's business/government environment, a century after it was written! Will we ever learn from history?
A great find coal berner.

Got many other books & Maps on Anthracite / mining . We should all learn from are history and try not to make the same mistakes that were already made . I think all of Washington should go back and start reading the history books and learn what they are doing Now will not work and start to make areal change . Not the B.S. change they are doing now.
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Re: Where should I get coal?

PostBy: tsb On: Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:34 pm

coal berner,

Great read ! I liked the prediction of the coal running out by the year 1990 -2000.
I don't think they know now how much coal is still recoverable. I guess the price
per ton and the cost per ton will determine how much they are willing to dig.
Thanks again for the link.

Tom
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Re: Where should I get coal?

PostBy: coal berner On: Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:56 pm

tsb wrote:coal berner,

Great read ! I liked the prediction of the coal running out by the year 1990 -2000.
I don't think they know now how much coal is still recoverable. I guess the price
per ton and the cost per ton will determine how much they are willing to dig.
Thanks again for the link.

Tom

Remember the prediction of running out of coal by 1990 - 2000 was more and likely based of the Production amount
they where doing back then alot more mines back then and much bigger operation then There where hundreds if not thousands of deep mines and big coal collieries & breakers alot more then and alot less now 13 Anthracite deep mines and 38 breakers and 68 Anthracite suface mine co.
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Re: Where should I get coal?

PostBy: coalhousepizza On: Wed Sep 09, 2009 5:00 pm

Opening up a coal fired pizza place in Stamford, CT and wondering what the best way for me to get anthracite nuggets delivered to me? Any thoughts? Contacts? Suggestions? I am building a 6 ton storage shed now so can handle a big load. Thanks!
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