Al Qaeda Torture 6 Year old for 2 Years

Re: Al Qaeda Torture 6 Year old for 2 Years

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:02 am

Theres my feeling exactly : Kill those who maim and kill children for thier causes mental or moral benifit.

this thread is not about abortion. thats a different insanity.
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Re: Al Qaeda Torture 6 Year old for 2 Years

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:01 am

jpete wrote:
Poconoeagle wrote: TORTURE CHILDREN !!!! = no good amigo's if they do that then they should not have air to breathe is that a position you wish to defend???? torture of children????


My only concern is THIS country. No one elses.

I'll say again. Is it your position that Canada has EVERY RIGHT to kill Americans who support capital punishment and abortion?

If not then you need to re-examine your position.

Could some good samaritan who lives near Jpete please stop by his home and help him pull his head from his rectum?
:mad:
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Re: Al Qaeda Torture 6 Year old for 2 Years

PostBy: rberq On: Sat Aug 08, 2009 4:37 pm

Al Qaeda Torture 6 Year old for 2 Years

CNN: Six year old says, "They beat me with a shovel, they pulled my teeth out with pliers ... and they would make me work on the farm gathering carrots."

Reuters News, somewhere in Pakistan: "Al Qaeda at its last worldwide convention approved the torture of 6 year old Khidir, and decreed that the torture should continue for two years. 87 per cent of the delegates voted to pull out his fingernails, and Osama bin Laden himself added the amendment requiring that his teeth be pulled out with pliers. Several delegates did point out that whacking him on the side of the head with shovels, and breaking his arms, might make him less useful as a carrot-puller, so it was ordered that those punishments be restricted to months when carrots are out of season."

Does that story sound a bit incongruous? The indignities of being beaten, having teeth yanked, and having to pull carrots are expressed all in one breath, as if they are of equal importance.

Did it really even happen? Now, I'm not saying it didn't. Some perverts may well have grabbed the kid to get back at his father, and they may well have tortured him. But to attribute it to "Al Queda", the organization, rather than to one or a few nasty people, is dishonest and overly simplistic. We can certainly HOPE that Al Qaeda will give up its ideas of major terrorism, and concentrate its efforts on beating up a few individual Iraqi children.
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Re: Al Qaeda Torture 6 Year old for 2 Years

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:33 pm

Richard, I can cut and paste too. These are all kids who had their heads caved in, throats cut, torn up by dogs or just plain starved to death in foster care in this country.

The problem with labeling an entire group of people as "evil" or "savage" is that it de-humanizes them and makes them easy to kill. Like Hitler did to the Jews or like we did to the Indians.

And do I have to list all the attacks on civilians done by the USA or agents of ours? In the Philippines, in South America, the Middle East, etc. How many civilians were killed due to the CIA overthrowing Iran in 1953? How many Kurds were gassed, with USA produced gas, because we told them to overthrow Saddam and then turned our backs?

Make sure YOUR house is in order before you decide to tell people how to run theirs.

Genesis Acosta-Garcia, Las Vegas Nevada, three months old, November 19, 2005, septic shock

Travis C Adams, Salem Oregon, August 8 2000, December 16 2002, wandered into creek

Kayla Y Allen, Richlands North Carolina, November 10 1995 - August 24 2003, poison

Martin Lee Anderson, Panama City Florida, fourteen years old, January 6 2006, beating/suffocation

Richard L (Ricky) Aragon, Albuquerque New Mexico, January 24 1991 - April 12 1993, battered

Shirley Arciszewski, Charlotte North Carolina, April 19 1992 - September 11 2004, restraint

Miguel Humberto Arias-Baca, Westminster Colorado, two years old, February 2 1999, battered

Angellika Nicole Arndt, Minneapolis Minnesota, seven years old, May 26 2006, restraint

Ian August, Sevier Desert Utah, June 21 1988 - July 13, 2002, exhaustion

Denzel Bailey, Los Angeles California, eleven months old, April 2001, malnutrition

Jeffrey Baldwin, Toronto Ontario, December 20 1996 - November 30 2002, malnutrition/pneumonia

Casey Paul Barrow, West Valley Utah, eighteen months old, October 22 2003, battered

Anthony Bars, Indiana, four years old, January 20 2004, starvation, battered

Shelly Bash, Midland Michigan, eight years old, March 2005, transplant rejection

Nadine Catherine Beaulieu, Dauphin Manitoba, twenty three months old, February 1996, battered

Teddy Bellingham, Smiths Falls Ontario, sixteen years old, August 1992, beaten

Jerome Bennett, Oshawa Ontario, fifteen years old, February 3 2006, homicide

Maria Bennett, Lancaster Ohio, two years old, October 23, 2002, battered

Modesto Blanco, Lubbock Texas, twenty two months old, March 2 2002, battered

Christian Blewitt né Osik, Halesowen England, three years old, December 2002, poison/battered

Deondre Bondieumaitre, Florida, sixteen months old, April 16 2003, battered

Timothy Boss, Remsen Iowa, ten years old, February 23 2000, battered

Alex Boucher, New Port Richey Florida, January 25 1997 - September 25 2000, asphyxiation

Ashley Boyd, LaFayette Georgia, twelve years old, December 13 2005, hit by car / suicide

Jason Bright, Las Vegas Nevada, fourteen years old, August 5 2006, gunshot / homicide

Kerry Brooks, Los Angeles California, nine years old, February 10 2001, suicide

Talitha Brooks, Colorado, one year old, July 1998, heatstroke

Amira Brown, Reading Pennsylvania, twelve years old, September 4 2005, battered / restraint

Diminiqua Bryant, Dothan Alabama, two years old, May 1999, battered

Scott Buckle, Swansea Wales, twelve years old, February 6 2005, hanging

Latasha Bush, Manvel Texas, January 2 1987 - February 28 2002, restraint

Michael Buxton, Miami Oklahoma, five years old, July 5 1998, battered

Everlyse Cabrera, Las Vegas Nevada, two years old, June 10 2006, lost

Eduardo Calzada, Bakersfield California, three months old, March 2004, battered

Chris Campbell, Toledo Iowa, thirteen years old, November 2, 1997, restraint

Gladys Campbell, Philadelphia/New Jersey, two years old, ca 1988

Edith Campos, Tucson Arizona, fifteen years old, February 4 1998, restraint

Brianna Canales, Harrisburg Pennsylvania, four years old, April 24 2006, dozen Zoloft pills

Latasha Cannon, Boston Massachusetts, seventeen years old, April 2001, slashed throat

Mario Cano, Chula Vista California, sixteen years old, April 27 1984, untreated blood clot

Joshua K Causey, Detroit Michigan, March 21 1998 - March 18 2003, battered

Jaime Ceballos, Salinas California, two years old, November 27 2005, infection and bleeding

baby boy Charles, Las Vegas Nevada, seven months old, August 4 2006, head injury

Sherry Charlie, British Columbia, nineteen months old, September 4 2002, battered

Sarah Angelina Chavez, Alhambra California, two years old, October 11 2005, battered

Felix Chen, Bloomington Indiana, August 27 1997 - April 1 2004, treatment withheld

Sky Colon Cherevez, Paterson New Jersey, three months old, August 6 1998, battered

Tiffany H Clair, Fort Worth Texas, September 6 1985 - May 4 2001, heroin

Brian Clark, New Jersey, three years old, January 2002, untreated pneumonia

Angelic Clary, Bakersfield California, three months old, September 14 2003

Roshelle Clayborn, San Antonio Texas, sixteen years old, August 18 1997, restraint

Casey Collier, Westminster Colorado, seventeen years old, December 21 1993, restraint

Desiree Collins, Los Angeles California, fourteen years old, February 10 2002, gunshot

Nicholas Contreras, Queen Creek Arizona, January 15 1982 - March 2 1998, untreated infection

Ashleigh Marie Copeland née Lethbridge, Michigan, twelve years old, February 23 2006, grand-mal

Adrianna Cram, Veracruz Mexico (US supervision), August 25 2000 - June 13 2005

Christopher Henry Cryderman, Springfield Missouri, July 27 2004 - November 22 2004, untreated infection

Dirk D Dalton, Clarkston Washington, June 7 1989 - May 1 1994, battered

Arieale Daniels, Naples Florida, fifteen years old, 1999, car crash

Tajuana Davidson, Phoenix Arizona, three years old, November 3 1993, battered

China Marie Davis, Phoenix Arizona, March 23 1991 - October 31 1993, battered

Sabrina Elizabeth Day, Charlotte North Carolina, July 4 1984 - February 10 2000, restraint

Tyler Joseph DeLeon, Stevens County Washington, January 13 1998 - January 13 2005, dehydration

Kameron Justin Demery, Long Beach California, two years old, October 14 1996, battered

Connre Dixon, Ridgefield Township Ohio eleven years old, October 18 2004, stabbing

Mark Draheim, Orefield Pennsylvania, October 10 1984 - December 11 1998, restraint

Charmaria Drake, Cleveland Ohio, twenty months old, March 13 2003, battered

Stephanie Duffield, Manvel Texas, July 14 1984 - February 11 2001, restraint

Willie Lawrence Durden III, Citrus County Florida, seventeen years old, October 2005, unknown/died in cell

Brian Edgar, Overland Park Kansas, nine years old, December 30 2002, asphyxiation

William Edgar, Peterborough Ontario, thirteen years old, March 1999, restraint

Tiffany Eilders, Rancho Cucamonga California, fourteen weeks old, December 7 2005, battered

Ryan Ellison, Las Vegas Nevada, three months old, January 17 2006, prematurity concealed

Kayla Erlandson, King County Washington, two years old, April 1991, battered

Luke Evans, Lowell Indiana, sixteen months old, November 30 2001, malnutrition/battered

Roberta (Berta) Evers, Bayfield Colorado, six years old, June 13 1998, restraint

Sara Eyerman, California, twenty months old, ca 1986, untreated pneumonia

Sean Isaac Faith, Eagle Idaho, three years old, May 13 2006, drowning

Marcus Fiesel, Cincinnati Ohio, three years old, August 6 2006, locked in closet

Miranda Finn, Lake Butler Florida, nine years old, January 25 2006, traffic accident

Laura Fleming, Palmdale California, October 11 2004 - November 21 2004, cause unknown

Sarah Jane Forrester, Woodlawn Maryland, October 30 1985 - found May 13 1999, battered and stabbed

Rita Foster, Pasadena California, four years old, June 29 2006, run over by bus

Kameryn Fountain, Bibb County Georgia, two months old, November 20 2005, unknown cause

Henry Gallop, Boston Massachusetts, two years old, 1987, poison

Alexander Ganadonegro, Albuquerque New Mexico, March 10 1998 - February 4 1999, battered

Christening (Mikie) Garcia, Ingram Texas, twelve years old, December 4 2005, restraint

Camron P Gardner, Waupun Wisconsin, three years old, May 5 2006, battered

Dylan James George, Fremont California, April 16 2002 - October 4 2004, battered

Anthony Marino Gladue, Edmonton Alberta, seventeen years old, April 26 2006, hit by train

Corese Goldman, Chicago Illinois, two years old, 1995, drowning

Mollie Gonzales, Jefferson County Colorado, ten years old, November 18 2002, drug overdose

Julio Gonzalez, Glendale California, May 10 1995 - December 29 1996, battered

Elizabeth (Lizzy) Goodwin, Coeur d'Alene Idaho, March 22 1996 - October 22 2002, drowning

Anthony Green, Brownwood Texas, fifteen years old, May 12 1991, restraint

Sabrina Green, New York City, nine years old, November 8 1997, burned and battered

Lamar D Greene, Jacksonville Florida, sixteen years old, 2001, car crash

Corey Greer, Treasure Island Florida, four months old, ca 1985, dehydration

Gage Guillen, Boston Massachusetts, three years old, 1995, strangulation

Darvell Gulley, Lincoln Nebraska, thirteen years old, April 27 2002, restraint

Savannah Brianna Marie Hall, Prince George British Columbia, September 9 1997 - January 21 2001, malnutrition/restraint

Latiana Hamilton, Jacksonville Florida, seventeen months old, July 18 2001, drowning

Mykeeda Hampton, District of Columbia, two years old, August 1997, battered

Kelly M Hancock, Malden Massachusetts, November 6 1985 - July 18 2000, stabbed

Laura Hanson, West Palm Beach Florida, May 17 1981 - November 19 1998, restraint

Jerrell Hardiman, La Porte Indiana, four years old, October ca 1993, exposure

Alex Harris, Minden Louisiana, twelve years old, September 2005, forced running

Diane Harris, Seguin Texas, seventeen years old, April 11 1990, restraint

Jessica Albina Hagmann, Prince William County Virginia, two years old, August 11 2003, smothered

Letia Harrison, Akron Ohio, October 23 1999 - September 19 2002, baked in attic

Jordan Heikamp, Toronto Ontario, May 19 1997 - June 23 1997, starvation

Eric Hernandez, Cedar Hill Texas, January 6 1999 - March 7 1999, suffocation

Zachary Higier, né Nikita Khoryakov Braintree Massachusetts, May 24 2000 - August 15 2002, battered

Dwight Hill, Tucson Arizona, four months old, November 16 2005, battered

Nina Victoria Hilt née Vika Bazhenova, Manassas Virginia, thirty three months old, July 2 2005, battered

Steven A Hoffa, Des Moines Iowa, February 4 1993 - May 18 1996, battered

Richard (Ricky) Holland, Williamston Michigan, September 8 1997 - July 2005, battered

Michael Anthony Hughes, Choctaw Oklahoma, March 21 1988 - September 12 1994, kidnap/missing

Jarod (Jerry) Hulsey, Mesa Arizona, ten years old, April 3 2006, battered

Joseph (Joey) Huot, Philadelphia Pennsylvania, two years old, January 27 1988, battered

Dion Jack, Sproat Lake British Columbia, six years old, March 1 2006, untreated seizure

Walter Jackson, Chicago Illinois, ten months old, August 9 2005, battered

Dominic James, Springfield Missouri, June 4 2000 - August 21 2002, battered

Billie-Jo Jenkins, Hastings East Sussex England, thirteen years old, February 1997, battered

Demetrius Jeffries, Crockett Texas, seventeen years old, August 26 1997, strangulation

Dontel Jeffers, Boston Massachusetts, four years old, March 6 2005, battered

Ciara S Jobes, Baltimore Maryland, August 17 1987 - December 11 2002, starvation/beating

Stephanie Jobin, Brampton Ontario, thirteen years old, June 21 1998, restraint

Aaron Johnson, Boston Massachusetts, fifteen months old, 1987, poison

Anthony Johnson, Marshall Texas, four years old, July 11 2005, drowning

Elijah James Johnson, Los Angeles California, three years old, May 10 1999, scalded

Lorenzo Johnson, Queen Creek Arizona, 17 years old - June 27, 1994, drowned during escape

Quartrina K (Snappy) Johnson, Pikesville Maryland, December 25 1988 - July 20 2004, beaten and choked

Xolani Nkosi Johnson, Capetown South Africa, twelve years old, June 2 2001, AIDS

Christal Jones, New York City (Vermont ward), May 24 1984 - January 3 2001, suffocation

David L Jones, Chicago Illinois, April 15 1992 - March 7 1998, battered

Xavier Jones, East Orange New Jersey, twenty one months old, June 7 2006, methadone poisoning

Dennis Jurgens né Jerry Sherwood, White Bear Lake Minnesota, three years old, April 11 1965, battered

Marissa (Shorty) Karp, Pompano Beach Florida, December 6 1985 - August 19 2002, gunshot

David Ryan Keeley, New Haven Connecticut, six years old, August 12 1998, battered

Ashley Keen, Lake Butler Florida, thirteen years old, January 25 2006, traffic accident

Cassandra Killpack, Springville Utah, November 29 1997 - June 9 2002, water therapy

Ahmad King né Rawls, Alma Georgia, three years old, January 24 2006, homicide

Heather Michell Kish, Berlin Township Michigan, September 15 1987 -found October 6 2002, murdered

Noah Knapp, Marysville Washington, six years old, May 30 2005, automobile collision

Alissa Kneen, Newport Minnesota, five years old, September 7 2001, house fire

Cordell Kneen, Newport Minnesota, twenty months old, September 7 2001, house fire

Zaire Knott, Newark New Jersey, September 16 2005 - October 20 2005, cause unknown

Anatoli Kolenda, Westfield Massachusetts, May 20 1991 - October 20 2002, stabbing

Yana Kolenda, Westfield Massachusetts, December 31 1990 - October 20 2002, stabbing

Anthony Lamb, Lake Butler Florida, twenty months old, January 25 2006, traffic accident

Keisha Shardae Lane, Hagerstown Maryland, fifteen years old, August 17 2005, gunshot

Shawn Lawrence né Andy Mohler, Shelton Washington, ten years old, October 9 1999, drowning

Brittany Legler, Millcreek Pennsylvania, fifteen years old, May 9 2004, battered

Isaac Lethbridge, Detroit Michigan, two years old, August 16 2006, battered

Trenton Jared Lewis, Canyon County Idaho, three years old, July 8 2006, drowning

Jacob Lindorff, Franklin Township New Jersey, five years old, December 14 2001, battered

Christian Liz, New York City, three weeks old, November 29 2004, suffocation

James Lonnee, Guelph/Hamilton Ontario, sixteen years old, September 7 1996, beaten by cellmate

Gregory Love, Florida, twenty three months old, April 2005, head injury

Nikki Lutke, Cheyenne Wyoming, five years old, August 28 2003, drowning

Zachary James Lyons, Winston-Salem North Carolina, January 24 1992 - October 8 1996, battered

Shaquella Mance, Belton South Carolina, seven months old, March 27 2005, battered

Elizabeth Mann, Lake Butler Florida, fifteen years old, January 25 2006, traffic accident

Heaven Mann, Lake Butler Florida, three years old, January 25 2006, traffic accident

Johnny Mann, Lake Butler Florida, thirteen years old, January 25 2006, traffic accident

Cynthia Nicole (Nicki) Mann, Lake Butler Florida, fifteen years old, January 25 2006, traffic accident

Logan Marr, Chelsea Maine, October 14 1995 - January 31 2001, asphyxiation

Fernando Ibarra Martinez, Bakersfield California, nine months old, March 26 2006, battered

Stephanie Martinez, Pueblo Colorado, five years old, December 31 2001, untreated burns

Tiffany Laverne Mason, Folsom California, June 11 1986 - August 9 2001, battered

Viktor Alexander Matthey né V Sergeyevich Tulimov, Hunterdon County New Jersey, six years old, October 31 2000, hypothermia

Dominic Matz, Osawatomie Kansas, July 6 2002 - February 15 2004, treatment withheld

Jamie Mayne, Atascadero California, March 24 1995 - February 10 2000, battered

Kristal Mayon-Ceniceros, Chula Vista California, sixteen years old, February 5 1999, restraint

Emily Ann Mays, Tucson Arizona, sixteen months old, August 24 2005, battered

Andrew McClain, Bridgeport Connecticut, December 6 1986 - March 22 1998, restraint

Cory Bradley McLaughlin, North Carolina, four years old, July 4 1997, battered

Jerry McLaurin, Brownwood Texas, fourteen years old, November 2 1999, restraint

Maria Mendoza, Katy Texas, fourteen years old, October 12 2002, restraint

Caleb Jerome Merchant, Edmonton Alberta, thirteen months old, November 26, 2005, battered

Denis Merryman né Uritsky, Harford County Maryland, eight years old, January 2005, starvation

Devin Miller, Spokane Washington, twenty months old, August 6 2006, battered

Euryale Miller, Kansas City Missouri, one year old, April 1 2001, battered

Jacob Miller, Georgia, twenty two months old, November 20 1997, battered

Clayton Miracle, Georgia, three years old, August 11 1993, battered

Hanna Denise Montessori, Santa Ana California, March 16 1988 - January 19 2004, homicide/head-injury

Alfredo Montez, Auburndale Florida, two years old, July 1 2002, battered

Zachary Moran, Charlotte North Carolina, fourteen months old, August 8 2003, battered

Christina Morlan, Scott County Iowa, September 3 2003 - November 30 2003, unknown

Carlyle Mullins, Nashville Tennessee, five years old, May 27 2005, battered

Cedrick Napoleon, Killeen Texas, June 26 1987 - March 7 2002, restraint

Candace Newmaker née C Tiara Elmore, Colorado, Movember 19 1989 - April 19 2000, re-birth asphyxiation

Jonathan Nichol, Cook County Illinois, two years old, June 16 1995, drowning

Trevor Nolan, Mono County California, five years old, April 12 1997, treatment withheld

Sierra Odom, Arlington Texas, three years old, August 11 2005, battered

Lenny Ortega, Ingram Texas, twelve years old, May 30 2006, drowning

Keron Owens, Walterboro South Carolina, three years old, January 19 1992, battered

Sean Paddock né Ford, Johnston County North Carolina, four years old, February 26 2006, battered

Omar Paisley, Miami Florida, seventeen years old, June 2003, untreated appendicitis

Terrell Parker, Buffalo New York, two years old, 2003, battered

Travis Parker, Cleveland Georgia, thirteen years old, April 21 2005, restraint

Melva Dee Parrott, Hersey Michigan, May 4 1998 - June 29 2000, bronchitis

Alex Pavlis, né Geiko Schaumburg Illinois, six years old, December 19 2003, battered

Dillon Peak, Saint Petersburg Florida, fourteen years old, June 17 2006, undiagnosed illness

Dawn Renay Perry, Manvel Texas, sixteen years old, April 10 1993, restraint

Angellica Pesante, Seneca County New York, four years old, April 18 1997, battered

Terrell Peterson, Atlanta Georgia, five years old, January 16 1998, battered

Cynteria Phillips, Miami Florida, December 10 1986 - August 14 2000, rape/murder

Marguerite Pierre, West Orange New Jersey, five years old, December 2005, poison

Emporia Pirtle, Indiana, six years old, November 11 1996, battered

Jason Plischkowsky, Southampton England, May 25 1985 - December 19 1986, head injury

Huntly Tamati Pokaia, New Zealand, three years old

David Polreis, Greeley Colorado, two years old, February 6 1996, battered

Maryah Ponce, Rialto California, December 5 1997 - June 29 2001, baked in car

Constance S Porter, Kearney Missouri, July 20 1998 - February 12 2001, battered

Dakota Denzel Prince-Smith, Lancaster California, five years old, July 8 2003, baked in car

Nehamiah Nate Prince-Smith, Lancaster California, three years old, July 8 2003, baked in car

Karen Quill, St Louis Saskatchewan, twenty months old, September 13 1997, internal injuries

Rodrigo Armando Rameriez Jr, Victorville California, eighteen months old, July 6 2001, drowning

Stephanie Ramos, New York City, eight years old, July 9 2005, dumped in garbage can

Bobby Jo Randolph, Houston Texas, seventeen years old, September 26 1996, axphyxiation

Jacquelyn Reah, Grand Rapids Michigan, ten years old, November 27 2004, runaway / hit by car

Latayna Reese, Bradenton Florida, fifteen years old, April 1996

Caprice Reid, New York City, four years old, June 1997, starved and battered

Jonathan Reid, Gardena California, nine years old, June 9 1997, treatment withheld

Matthew Reid, Welland Ontario, three years old, December 15 2005, suffocation

Dustin Rhodes, Litchfield Park Arizona, nine years old, August 13 2003, battered

Alana Rickard-Cowell, Honolulu Hawaii, two months old, April 23 2006, unknown (broken bones)

Eric Roberts, Keene Texas, June 16 1979 - February 22 1996, restraint

Ana Rogers, Sparks Nevada, four months old, July 2005, pre-existing injury

Genevieve "Genny" Rojas, Chula Vista California, four years old, July 21 1995, starvation, scalded

Guadalupe Rosales III, San Antonio Texas, April 2005 - June 13 2006, battered

Paola Rosales, Milton Ontario, fourteen years old, July 3 2001, suicide

Kyle Anthony Ross, Massachusetts, September 7 1995 - June 9 2001, rottweiler

Marlon Santos, Worcester Massachusetts, five months old, November 5 1998, missing

Andres E Saragos, Warm Springs Oregon, August 5 1995 - July 13 2000, baked in car

Gina M Score, Plankinton South Dakota, May 7 1985 - July 21 1999, baked by boot camp

Caprice Scott, Florida, infant, 1999, mother in foster care

Ryan Scott, Sheffield Lake Ohio, two years old, March 27 1998, battered

Krystal Scurry, Aiken County South Carolina, February 1989 - November 2 1991, rape/murder

Andrew (Andy) Setzer, California, April 27 1995 - August 2 1999, battered

Joshua Sharp, Las Vegas Nevada, fifteen months old, August 15 2006, infection

Ariel Shaw, Bibb County Georgia, nineteen months old, January 26 2000, battered

Vivan Uk Sheppard, Jacksonville Florida, eight months old, May 15 1999, suffocation

Colby Shirley, Gallup New Mexico, eighteen months old, March 20 2006, battered

Joseph H Shriver, Pennsylvania, March 2 1997 - October 5 1997, battered

Quincey L Simmons, Omaha Nebraska, August 21 1997 - March 24 2001, battered

Christopher Simpson, Howell Michigan, seven years old, November 14 1998, fire

Jordan Simpson né Richard Morrison II, Howell Michigan, five years old, November 14 1998, fire

Nicole Simpson née Desira Morrison, Howell Michigan, seven years old, November 14 1998, fire

Devin A Slade, Milwaukee Wisconsin, October 23 2000 - June 19 2001, asphyxiation

John Smith, Fishersgate England, four years old, December 24 1999, battered and bitten

Mikinah Smith, Cincinnati Ohio, one year old, March 18 2003, battered

Tristan Sovern, Greensboro North Carolina, sixteen years old, March 4 1998, restraint

Jushai Spurgeon, North Las Vegas Nevada, fourteen months old, April 3 2005, scalding

LeRon St John, Detroit Michigan, fifteen years old, March 1 2003, untreated tuberculosis

Lloyd Stamp, Edmonton Alberta, seventeen years old, September 29, 2005, suicide

Tommy Stacey, Carmichael California, three months old, January 3 2005, SIDS

Elizabeth (Lisa) Steinberg née Launders, New York City, May 14 1981 - November 4 1987, battered

Chris Surbey, Winnipeg Manitoba, October 13 1987 - June 6 2005, stabbing

Yasmin Taylor, Paterson New Jersey, seven months old, May 8 1994, virus

Lakeysha Tharp, Irmo South Carolina, six months old, April 7 2004, asphyxiation

Adam Michael Thimyan, Riverview Florida, October 2 1986 - April 3 2004, gunshot

Timithy Thomas, Banner Elk North Carolina, nine years old, March 11 1999, restraint

Liam Thompson né Dmitry S Ishlankulov, Columbus Ohio, October 3 1999 - October 3 2002, scalding

Michael Tinning, Schenectady New York, two years old, March 2 1981, asphyxiation

Kelly Ann Tozer, Egg Harbor City New Jersey, eighteen months old, July 30 2005, drowning

Patrick Trauffler, Phoenix Arizona, six weeks old, February 18 2003, battered

Heaven Traverse, Winnipeg Manitoba, two years old, January 14 2005, battered

Demetrius Tyler, Johnson City Tennessee, six months old, November 10 2004, drowning

Tyler Vanpopering, Southgate Michigan, September 23 2003 - April 14 2004, battered

Jacqueline Venay, Philadelphia Pennsylvania, six years old, September 21 1998, battered

Reena Virk, Saanich British Columbia, fourteen years old, November 14 1997, teen swarming

George Walker III, DeKalb County Georgia, ten months old, November 7 2002, choking

Michelle Walton, Boston Massachusetts, October 6 1994, asphyxiation

Erickyzha Warner, Utica New York, July 19 2002 - May 31, 2004, untreated burns

Shane Devell Washington, Fresno California, fifteen months old, circa 1996, drowning

Evan Watkins, Las Vegas Nevada, twenty one months old, July 11 1996, battered

Omar Wellington, Toronto Ontario, seventeen years old, July 15 2006, stabbing

Devin Wilder, Cleveland Ohio, July 29 1998 - April 21 2001, battered

Dominic J Williams, Saint Louis Missouri, June 8 1987 - June 3 2004, strangulation

Andrew Wilson, Owensboro Kentucky, three years old, August 7 2005, drowning

Lorenzo J Wilson, Seattle Washington, January 29 2004 - October 22 2004, battered

Rilya Wilson, Florida, born September 29 1996, 2001, lost

Michael Spencer Wiltsie, Silver Springs Florida, September 18 1987 - February 5, 2000, restraint

Jimmy Allan Wood, Adams County Colorado, fourteen years old, November 13 2002, drug overdose

Jonnie Wood, Springdale Arkansas, eight years old, August 13 2005, drowning

Braxton D Wooden, Missouri, May 15 1997 - June 2 2005, gunshot

Donte L Woods, West Palm Beach Florida, February 25 1986 - May 27 2002, gunshot

Thomas (T J) Wright, Providence Rhode Island, three years old, October 31 2004, battered

Willie Wright, San Antonio Texas, fourteen years old, March 4 2000, restraint

Rufus Manzie Young Jr, Michigan, four years old, April 6 2003, battered
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Re: Al Qaeda Torture 6 Year old for 2 Years

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:36 pm

Oh, and towards the end of that list is TJ Wright.

He was dragged out of bed and down a flight of stairs by his ankles because he SPILLED MILK ON THE FLOOR. Then for about an hour his aunt and her boyfriend beat him, tossed him across the room against walls and threw him down the stairs.

And to top it all off, they tried to blame the teenage baby sitter for his death.

Child abuse is a global problem.

But it's hardly a reason to start a world war.
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Re: Al Qaeda Torture 6 Year old for 2 Years

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Aug 08, 2009 10:30 pm

Well actually my list was not cut and paste, it was compiled from a list of major terrorists acts worldwide provided by the state department I came across a while ago. I'll note it was of course predominantly Islamic terrorists so there wasn't many others that I cut from the list. Those that were cut would have mostly included acts carried out by the IRA if I remember correctly, I think the Oklahoma city bombing was also listed. I don't have a link or even know if it exists anymore.

In any event you're comparing apples to oranges. For example suppose we have a wife and husband and the husband blows her head off with a shotgun in a fit of anger. In another scenario the wife is working at the local 7/11 and a terrorists travels from the country he lives in 10,000 miles away comes in and blows her head off because he thinks 7/11 exploits people of his race. Each attack is equally violent and each perpetrator is guilty of murder but that is where the comparison stops. The husband in most cases is going to be quite remorseful probably almost immediately after the fact and is certainly not going to try it again. The terrorists on the other hand is going to be happy, will even brag about it and will certainly commit the crime again if given the chance. See the disconnect here?

There is of course the other scenario where the husband might be mentally ill but that is going to be rare and probably even rarer for the terrorist.

Just to add I see a lot of things on your list that could be chalked up to accidental or negligence. We have one there I see that says lost? Another says wandered into creek? All the acts in the list I provided were deliberate acts where the consequences were very well known and actually the desire carried out by an organized group of people. Hardly comparable.
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Re: Al Qaeda Torture 6 Year old for 2 Years

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Aug 08, 2009 10:58 pm

jpete wrote:The problem with labeling an entire group of people as "evil" or "savage" is that it de-humanizes them and makes them easy to kill. Like Hitler did to the Jews or like we did to the Indians.


As you're saying yourself a group, keep in mind I'm not placing the entire Muslim world in this group but certainly they bear part of the blame this as well. Ultimately this problem needs to be solved by themselves but until the majority of people in that religion step up and put a stop to it we need to do what have to to keep the same violence off our shores.

Let me give you an example of this within the US, you have a certain amount of people within the Pro-life movement that are more than willing to commit murder as means to further their cause. These people are kept in check with the laws that govern everyone and their fellow citizens. In most cases even the most fervent catholic is going to say the act of killing someone is wrong even in the case where you are murdering an abortion doctor as would the rest of most the society here.
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Re: Al Qaeda Torture 6 Year old for 2 Years

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:16 am

This thread wasn't about terrorism. It was about an 8 year old who had his teeth forcibly extracted by a person who happened to be Muslim.

Immediately, the calls for "those people" to be killed/bombed cropped up.

I was just pointing out that kids are killed by one reason or another right here, every day and I don't hear too many calls to eradicate an entire group of people based on that.

As far as "terrorism" goes, it kind of depends which side of the bomb you're on.

If we blow up civilians, it's "unfortunate" collateral damage. When we are on the receiving end, it's terrorism.
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Re: Al Qaeda Torture 6 Year old for 2 Years

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:35 am

Jeff, I think it goes without saying, at least i feel, that anyone anywhere of any race that abuses a child is a POS and should be indeed punished. by punished in my opinion beat as severe as if not more than thier degree of abuse caused. in essence eye for an eye.

I am and many others are profoundly aware of the terrible problem that exisists reguarding this issue here on our soil. I personally had a man and wife who worked for me lose thier 18 month old child to a baby sitter that slammed the child head first to the ground and killed it cause it wouldnt stop crying. The entire ordeal was over a year in court and was devestating emotionally for all who knew them and the situation.

As Richard says, that impulsive irrational split second violent act is horrendous but I tell ya , the thousands of years of the al qaeda type behaviour is the crux of the replies of kill all of em already.

you seem like a smart man and indeed the argument here should be apples to apples and not abortion or child abuse vs TORTURE of a prisoner type.

hows the weed wacker working?? 8-)
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Re: Al Qaeda Torture 6 Year old for 2 Years

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:40 am

jpete wrote:This thread wasn't about terrorism. It was about an 8 year old who had his teeth forcibly extracted by a person who happened to be Muslim.


Yes it is about terrorism. The boys father is an Iraqi police officer which is why he was a target, if you read the article you will see they actually went to the house looking for him and since he wasn't there they took the kid instead... then as a parting gift they blew the house. What else would you call that? The purpose is to intimidate the father and anyone else through terror. If anything defines terrorism this would be it.

It's the same situation in Afghanistan. They had interesting piece on the news a few weeks back where they were interviewing a leader of a small village. His problem was if he accepted any help from the US or other sources Al Qaeda would kill them all... This particular village was in the middle of no where and it was the first contact they had with US soldiers. They were all sitting around with soldiers apparently drinking tea or some other local beverage. It's not necessarily they didn't want the soldiers there it was the consequences of what happens after the soldiers left.


If we blow up civilians, it's "unfortunate" collateral damage. When we are on the receiving end, it's terrorism.


And again apples and oranges, the US military doesn't purposely target civilians and in fact takes great pains to avoid such situations and in some cases putting themselves in danger to try and avoid it. If the US wanted to they could have leveled Iraq from one border to the other and left it a smoldering heap of rubble. If al Qaeda had such power the fate of the US would not be the same.
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Re: Al Qaeda Torture 6 Year old for 2 Years

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:13 am

Again, your government does things that you ascribe to "terrorists".

How many people were killed during the overthrow of Iran in 1953? A US funded, CIA controlled operation.

How about the overthrow of Honduras? All because the United Fruit Company didn't want to give up land to the Honduran government?

Or the US overthrow of Hawaii so sugar growers wouldn't have to pay import tariffs?

The US has a long history of stirring up what you would call "terrorism" in other countries through covert operations.
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