Are you a Democrat or Republican? Redux

Republican or Democrat

Democrat w/Hand-Fired
11
5%
Democrat w/Stoker
14
6%
Democrat w/Both hand fired and stoker
4
2%
Republican w/Hand-Fired
44
20%
Republican w/Stoker
50
23%
Republican w/Both hand fired and stoker
15
7%
Independent or other party w/Hand-Fired
36
17%
Independent or other party w/Stoker
31
14%
Independent or other party w/Both hand fired and stoker
11
5%
 
Total votes : 216

Re: Are you a Democrat or Republican? Redux

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:10 am

johnjoseph wrote:What is an alternative to egalitarianism that you believe would be beneficial and induce positive change in today's society?


Objectivism. Egoism. Rational self interest. Objective law. Objective justice. Objective governance.

The Constitution of the United States of America seems to have done a good job of it. Perhaps we should start there.
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Re: Are you a Democrat or Republican? Redux

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Oct 15, 2016 2:33 pm

The ideal political-economic system is laissez-faire capitalism. It is a system where men deal with one another, not as victims and executioners, nor as masters and slaves, but as traders, by free, voluntary exchange to mutual benefit. It is a system where no man may obtain any values from others by resorting to physical force, and no man may initiate the use of physical force against others. The government acts only as a policeman that protects man’s rights; it uses physical force only in retaliation and only against those who initiate its use, such as criminals or foreign invaders. In a system of full capitalism, there should be (but, historically, has not yet been) a complete separation of state and economics, in the same way and for the same reasons as the separation of state and church.
Ayn Rand

My addition to the above would be that It's bad enough that capitalism must attempt to survive within an impossible environment of predominantly subjective law, but on top of that fiat currency forces capitalism to attempt to exist as free, while at the same time being forced to function within a fusion of state and economics. Fiat currency is the means by which government forces capitalism and statism to fuse into a mixed and corrupt economic system, and it defiles the capitalists ability to function as a trader by free and voluntary exchange to mutual benefit. Fiat currency provides the ideal environment (breeding ground) whereby capitalism must continually (slowly at first, then rapidly) devolve into a more and more statist/fascist economic system replete with victims and executioners, masters and slaves. Capitalism and statism can not live in harmony. In any mixed system of good and evil, only evil can benefit. And as evil thereby parasitically grows and flourishes, good is eventually pushed completely out of the picture. Yet statism forces capitalism to take the all of the blame for any such devolution and/or corruption caused by its being forced to attempt to exist under statism. There is not a capitalist alive or dead who would accept a fiat currency in trade for goods or services without the force of a government gun compelling the use of such currency.
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Re: Are you a Democrat or Republican? Redux

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Oct 15, 2016 3:34 pm

In fairness, I must at this juncture ponder the case of the Republican. This is a far more confusing case to ponder, as I have yet to identify an actual philosophy that is held in common by Republicans at large (or even by a small handful of their membership) as the basis by which for them to rally a base and thereby exist as a party. They appear to me to be a highly confused lot, and as such, many of them unknowingly (or otherwise) default to an acceptance of the same philosophical underpinnings as the Democrats espouse, while at the same time attempting to feign difference. A pitifully brain dead lot by my reckoning, forced to parasitically mooch on the philosophies of others in order to eek out an existence. Compromise is the only straw at which they can consistently be counted upon to grasp,

Short version: Lost puppies.

In any conflict between two men (or two groups) who hold the same basic principles, it is the more consistent one who wins.
Ayn Rand

This quote sums up succinctly why the Republicans are destined to be primarily losers. Even when they win!
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Re: Are you a Democrat or Republican? Redux

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Sat Oct 15, 2016 3:51 pm

lsayre wrote:In fairness, I must at this juncture ponder the case of the Republican. This is a far more confusing case to ponder, as I have yet to identify an actual philosophy that is held in common by Republicans at large (or even by a small handful of their membership) as the basis by which for them to rally a base and thereby exist as a party. They appear to me to be a highly confused lot, and as such, many of them unknowingly (or otherwise) default to an acceptance of the same philosophical underpinnings as the Democrats espouse, while at the same time attempting to feign difference. A pitifully brain dead lot by my reckoning, forced to parasitically mooch on the philosophies of others in order to eek out an existence. Compromise is the only straw at which they can consistently be counted upon to grasp,

Short version: Lost puppies.

In any conflict between two men (or two groups) who hold the same basic principles, it is the more consistent one who wins.
Ayn Rand

This quote sums up succinctly why the Republicans are destined to be primarily losers. Even when they win!


Both parties have been moving more and more left over the past decades. The old-time political views of my Dem friends, now in their mid 80's to 90's make some of today's "moderate" Republicans look like libs.

Hence the reason why so many conservatives use the term, "RINO" when referring to many so-called Republicans these days.

Paul
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Re: Are you a Democrat or Republican? Redux

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Oct 15, 2016 3:53 pm

Summing things up, this Ayn Rand quote represents well how I see things with regard to our choice between voting Democrat or Republican:

When men reduce their virtues to the approximate (as do Republicans), then evil acquires the force of an absolute (as for the Democrats), when loyalty to an unyielding purpose is dropped by the virtuous, it’s picked up by scoundrels—and you get the indecent spectacle of a cringing, bargaining, traitorous good (the compromise one can count upon from the Republican party) and a self-righteously uncompromising evil (the Democratic party).


Parenthesis and words within them being mine, and not in the original quote
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Re: Are you a Democrat or Republican? Redux

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sat Oct 15, 2016 3:57 pm

I have always thought this poll to be incomplete. Where is the category democrat but too dumb to light my stove.

“When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.”


― Benjamin Franklin
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Re: Are you a Democrat or Republican? Redux

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Sat Oct 15, 2016 4:43 pm

coalnewbie wrote:I have always thought this poll to be incomplete. Where is the category democrat but too dumb to light my stove.

“When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.”


― Benjamin Franklin


You already have one herald, I hope you don't want the one Ben was talking about. :D

Paul
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Re: Are you a Democrat or Republican? Redux

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:47 am

lsayre wrote:The first draft of the Egalitarian 'Declaration of Dependence'

We hold this truth to be self-evident, that all men are equal, and that they are endowed by their government with the right to live by the sacrificial principle of from each according to his ability to each according to his need. — That to secure equality, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the egalitarian need to imbalance the scales of justice.

I believe Democrats would be found highly in agreement with such a declaration.


No comments from any Democrats or left leaning Independents among us yet. Does the egalitarian model fit well with your beliefs?
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Re: Are you a Democrat or Republican? Redux

PostBy: lsayre On: Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:30 am

I've identified another false dichotomy. It is the very idea that one must only choose between voting Democrat or voting Republican. I will not fall victim to this false dichotomy by voting for one of their chosen candidates. But then again, Trump is not one of their chosen candidates.
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