The schizophrenia of Glenn Beck

Re: The schizophrenia of Glenn Beck

PostBy: tvb On: Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:23 pm

For the longest time I used to put on my tinfoil hat and laugh that Andy Kaufman didn't really die in 1984 but was continuing his act in the form of Ann Coulter. I've taken that tin foil hat off and exchanged it for a new one. I think Glenn Beck is really Andy Kaufman. It's got to be because the guy is pure comedy.

Like him or hate him, you'll get a good laugh:


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/vp/ ... 5#32682775
and
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/vp/ ... 5#32698624
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Re: The schizophrenia of Glenn Beck

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:11 pm

ErikLaurence wrote:
Black_And_Blue wrote:Again, I ask that you look at the mans own words.

Americans do not embrace Marxist, redistributionist, revolutionaries.

Please tell us that you don't not support these views.



Americans are revolutionaries.


I'll take that as a yes.

Duly noted.
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Re: The schizophrenia of Glenn Beck

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:18 pm

Black_And_Blue wrote:
ErikLaurence wrote:

Americans are revolutionaries.


I'll take that as a yes.

Duly noted.


Just so I understand, you're a monarchist.

You believe the revolutionaries who created this country were wrong.

You would like to be part of the British Commonwealth.
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Re: The schizophrenia of Glenn Beck

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:43 pm

ErikLaurence wrote:
Black_And_Blue wrote:
ErikLaurence wrote:

Americans are revolutionaries.


I'll take that as a yes.

Duly noted.


Just so I understand, you're a monarchist.

You believe the revolutionaries who created this country were wrong.

You would like to be part of the British Commonwealth.


Based on your reply, my concern for this Nation has only deepened.
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Re: The schizophrenia of Glenn Beck

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:48 pm

Black_And_Blue wrote:
Based on your reply, my concern for this Nation has only deepened.


I don't even think you understand what this nation is.

These are the words of revolutionaries and you take them for granted.

That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.
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Re: The schizophrenia of Glenn Beck

PostBy: spc On: Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:22 pm

Erik, I think you should sit back & take a deep breath, you are starting to make Glenn Beck's argument.

BTW I like this part,
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
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Re: The schizophrenia of Glenn Beck

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:31 pm

spc wrote:Erik, I think you should sit back & take a deep breath, you are starting to make Glenn Beck's argument.

BTW I like this part,
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."



My favorite Jefferson quote on religion

Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
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Re: The schizophrenia of Glenn Beck

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Sat Sep 05, 2009 7:57 pm

Now I'm telling it like it is, ALL countries at this point are communist countries and thats a fact! If it was not a fact then the governments of all countries would not of gotten involved with this latest financial crisis. A true Democratic society would of let the things that needed to collapse, collapse, instead of getting all and I mean every single person in the world involved in this mess. Democratic society my @ss I didn't want to bail out any banks or car companies or anything else. Oil companies made fortunes (remember almost 5 bucks a gallon gas), car companies made fortunes (remember 10 grand made on each car), banks and investment houses made fortunes (Next time a bank goes belly up read the fine print of how much they had to pay the execs and the end of there contract), insurance companies made fortunes (remember how much your premiums are for health and home and car insurance and how much did A.I.G. get so they would not collapse) but we still had to pay fortunes to keep them from going belly up. Who is going to pay to help us from going belly up, sure glad black_and_blue is and I'm glad he is happy about his democratic society. Oh he is worried about one guy that is supposed to be a so called communist.
We are all communist get over it or vote for a real Democratic government for a change. I remember the day Pres. Bush sat there and told the American people that things were in a terrible state, that was at the end of his 8 yrs as Pres. I guess he figured he had to leave us with something more to talk about other than 2 wars.
over 200 years of lawmaking in this country and still this is it, this is the best we can do? What needs to happen is to go back to the first laws and then uphold those laws and forget about the rest of the B.S. that they have written to help only a few and not the country!
And if I'm wrong prove it! If I was wrong we wouldn't be in this mess!
We are all communist so pay up and enjoy the banks paying back billions in a few months. hey wait thought they were just going belly up? Where did all the money come from to pay billions back. Not only that there doing better than ever. Not only that there better leveraged. Wow all that in only a few months. Where the duck did all that money come from?
I'm sick of being lied to by all the ding dang communist at the government, Democrat, Republican, and Independent!
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Re: The schizophrenia of Glenn Beck

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Sat Sep 05, 2009 9:19 pm

I'm all for Revolution...... so long as the Constitution is at the core of the movement.

By the way, you DO NOT want a pure Democratic system as this is a mob rule and leads to Tyranny.

“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.”
-Thomas Jefferson
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Re: The schizophrenia of Glenn Beck

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Sat Sep 05, 2009 9:21 pm

spc wrote:Erik, I think you should sit back & take a deep breath, you are starting to make Glenn Beck's argument.

BTW I like this part,
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."



You of course realize when a deist like Jefferson writes "creator" and "god" he means something very different than when a christian writes "creator" and "god".
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Re: The schizophrenia of Glenn Beck

PostBy: spc On: Sat Sep 05, 2009 9:56 pm

Black_And_Blue wrote:You of course realize when a deist like Jefferson writes "Creator" and "God" he means something very different than when a christian writes "Creator" and "God".


Thomas Jefferson

“The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend to all the happiness of man.”
“Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus.”

"I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus." [Letter to Benjamin Rush April 21, 1803]

“God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever.” [Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781]

“It [the Bible] is a document in proof that I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus."
[Jan 9, 1816 Letter to Charles Thomson]
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Re: The schizophrenia of Glenn Beck

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:05 pm

spc wrote:
Black_And_Blue wrote:You of course realize when a deist like Jefferson writes "Creator" and "God" he means something very different than when a christian writes "Creator" and "God".


Thomas Jefferson

“The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend to all the happiness of man.”
“Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus.”

"I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus." [Letter to Benjamin Rush April 21, 1803]

“God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever.” [Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781]

“It [the Bible] is a document in proof that I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus."
[Jan 9, 1816 Letter to Charles Thomson]


Jefferson believed Jesus existed.

He did not believe he was born of a virgin.

He did not believe he was the son of god.

He did not believe he was resurrected.

He was a follower of the philosophy of Jesus. He did not believe in the divinity of Jesus.

He did not believe he died for our sins. So I suppose it's a matter of definition. If Jefferson was a christian than so am I. Jefferson like most of the founding fathers was a deist.


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Re: The schizophrenia of Glenn Beck

PostBy: spc On: Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:15 pm

WOW Erik you know more about Thomas Jefferson's faith than he does.

A Few Declarations of Founding Fathers and Early Statesmen on Jesus, Christianity, and the Bible.

http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesAr ... sp?id=8755

We should start a thread on our founding fathers.
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Re: The schizophrenia of Glenn Beck

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:24 pm

spc wrote:WOW Erik you know more about Thomas Jefferson's faith than he does.

A Few Declarations of Founding Fathers and Early Statesmen on Jesus, Christianity, and the Bible.

http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesAr ... sp?id=8755

We should start a thread on our founding fathers.


I've read the Jefferson bible. Have you?

It is Jefferson's own interpretation of the new testament. There's no angels, there are no miracles, there is no resurrection.

...and you're referencing some 20th century evangelical's interpretation of what he thinks the founding fathers said to prop up his own political agenda?

Show me in Jefferson's words about the divinity of Jesus. Source material, not some hack with an agenda. Sourced, referenced writings of Thomas Jefferson
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Re: The schizophrenia of Glenn Beck

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:27 pm

“I should then take a view of the deism and ethics of the Jews, and show in what a degraded state they were, and the necessity they presented of a reformation. I should proceed to a view of the life, character, & doctrines of Jesus, who sensible of incorrectness of their ideas of the Deity, and of morality, endeavored to bring them to the principles of a pure deism, and juster notions of the attributes of God, to reform their moral doctrines to the standard of reason, justice & philanthropy, and to inculcate the belief of a future state.”

Thomas Jefferson
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