I own a wheeled toilet! Vent about automotive nightmares

Re: I own a wheeled toilet! Vent about automotive nightmares

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Sat Jul 05, 2014 6:35 am

Paul,your daughter is doing a very smart thing with her tires . We don't put enough miles on to do that , we only get 2,500 miles/yr on our truck, 7-8K/yr on the explorer. Someone putting higher miles on per yr. makes sense to change tires yearly for the safety factor,especially up there in your area. Should be a lot more drivers doing an intelligent tire program like she does. :clap:
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Re: I own a wheeled toilet! Vent about automotive nightmares

PostBy: rberq On: Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:54 pm

Flyer5 wrote:A vehicle should never leave a shop without using a torque wrench on the nuts. I hate when they over tighten them as well.

And if you think a tire dealer knows this, you are wrong. I had new tires put on my car a month ago, at a company with 18 locations in Maine and New Hampshire. The tech was very pleasant and seemed competent. WRONG! After about 2500 miles I began to notice vibration and slight pedal pulsation when braking. So two days ago I said, “DUH”, and got out my torque wrench. Specs for my car are 80 foot-pounds on the lug nuts. On each and every wheel, it took about 140-150 to loosen one nut, about 120 to loosen the opposite one, about 80 for another and 50 for another. So the tech was a moron, but at least he was a consistent moron. I'd like to know how he managed that. :?: I’m hoping I caught the rotor damage early enough to save them. They already feel better when braking.

I came across this article on the internet, some of which was a surprise to me, especially the part about rotors NOT warping from heat. Don’t know if it is all accurate, but they sound like they know what they are talking about. Parts 1, 2, and 3:

http://www.hendonpub.com/resources/arti ... ls?id=1787
http://www.hendonpub.com/resources/arti ... ls?id=1722
http://www.hendonpub.com/resources/arti ... ls?id=1492
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PostBy: mozz On: Sun Aug 10, 2014 8:06 pm

There's another good article out there which tells you about rotors. Material from the pads will bake onto the rotors when you stop. Especially when you go down a big hill and brakes are heating up and at the bottom you have to stop. Another was the method of breaking in new pads.
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Re: I own a wheeled toilet! Vent about automotive nightmares

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sun Aug 10, 2014 8:29 pm

mozz wrote:There's another good article out there which tells you about rotors. Material from the pads will bake onto the rotors when you stop. Especially when you go down a big hill and brakes are heating up and at the bottom you have to stop. Another was the method of breaking in new pads.



I have a hard time believing that theory. If pad material was melting to the rotors wouldn't they would constantly get thicker over time.
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PostBy: rberq On: Sun Aug 10, 2014 8:57 pm

Flyer5 wrote:If pad material was melting to the rotors wouldn't they would constantly get thicker over time.

Google "brake pad material deposit on rotors". I had never heard about it before, either, but there are lots of things that fall into that category. :lol:

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PostBy: SMITTY On: Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:18 pm

Yet another issue caused by the ever-cheapening quality of materials used today .... :mad:
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Re: I own a wheeled toilet! Vent about automotive nightmares

PostBy: gaw On: Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:23 pm

This may not be a nightmare but it is aggravating and just an example of how *censored* seems to just happen.
Last week the wife’s Tahoe was due for oil, filter, grease, and tire rotation. It all goes well until I go to rotate the tires and what do you know the one rear tire is blowing a small bubble in the sidewall. It did not look like an eminent danger so I left the tires alone figuring a flat on the rear was better than a flat on the front. Tires are 5 month old with 5,000 miles on them, bought from Wally World. I instructed the wife to go there first thing in the morning and get a new tire and have them rotated. I was not sure what they would do about the bad tire but said it was defective and she should get some credit if not a free tire.
>> Fast forward and they replace the tire free of charge, all is good. The next night I call home and she tells me the truck is making noise in the front and she believes they did not tighten the wheel properly when they did the rotation of the tires.
How does it sound?
“like something is loose”
Does the steering shake, especially when going around turns?
“I don’t know. Maybe a little”
Don’t drive it until I can check it out.
I managed to get home during the week and check it out. I first put the torque wrench on the wheels and they were all tight. This was good. They have printed on the receipt to re torque the wheels at 50 miles and she drove 60 so if the lugs had come loose and damaged the wheel they may have had enough wiggle room to get out of it. Next was a test drive and it was only up to the neighbor’s driveway and turn around because the noise was obvious. Turns out the culprit is the left front hub assembly, bearings are wiped out. The new one arrives tomorrow, I’ll put it on and then order another for the other side and do it before winter because if I don’t the damn thing will fail on the coldest week of January. The truck has 155,000 miles on it, if these are the original bearings they did good but I would not be surprised if they are the second ones. Much of what I read on line would have me believe these bearings usually go between 75,000 and 100,000 miles. We had a Bravada that had a bearing go at 110,000 and I just did the H3 at 86,000 miles. Both bearings were bad at the same time.

It is always something when you have SMITTY’s favorite vehicle. If we all drove Toyotas guys like SMITTY would be homeless.
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PostBy: rberq On: Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:43 pm

gaw wrote:... I just did the H3 at 86,000 miles. Both bearings were bad at the same time.

So the manufacturer gets a prize for consistency if not for quality. :roll:
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PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Sep 02, 2014 2:45 pm

Yep - gotta love today's GM! :roll:
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PostBy: coalnewbie On: Tue Sep 02, 2014 3:23 pm

But they are saving the money by supplying mu metal rotors so they can add a feature proving distracted driving.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/e5787fea ... z3CBg0jHPz

This has all sorts of advantages. If I run over someones dog they will use this data to prove I was distracted and sue me for millions as a result of emotional distress. Onstar will locate me and stop my vehicle so the police can arrest me and take my license away just for fun. It's great new stuff from GM, I will be lining up for that great feature. Next they are going to link it the ADT database and lock me out of my home until l pay a $10,000 fine. All these great features and c rppy build quality to boot. I going to run down to my Chevy dealer right now.
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Re: I own a wheeled toilet! Vent about automotive nightmares

PostBy: gaw On: Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:10 pm

Bearing replaced. I best do the other side now while I am in the mood because it will be easy enough to forget about this job. The hub was being stubborn but it finally yielded to the beating and came out, easier than the H3 but a PITA none the less.

Here is a question for you, why is GM such a big fan of using 15 and 18 mm bolt heads and tool companies conveniently omit these two sizes from their kits. I managed to split my 6 point 15mm craftsman today :mad: so a trip to Sears is in order before I take on the next side. I have to get decent impact socket sets that have all sizes not the economy assortment that I have now. By the way the socket was split by hand using a breaker bar, no cheater so don’t give me no *censored* Sears, :nono: they never have in the past.

Another question came to me as I put the old hub on the scrap pile with the other two from earlier. These bearings are very similar yet subtly different. AC/Delco lists countless hub part numbers, why not make about four or five and design the cars and trucks to use them. One for compact cars, one for larger cars, one for SUVs and trucks, one for heavier Trucks and SUVs, by sticking to a handful of proven types costs would come down due to larger production runs of each bearing.

One last thought. Even though this job is a pain in the ass I was thinking about my pickup that requires repacking the front bearings every 12,000 miles. If these Tahoe bearings are the original that is 13 bearing repacks I did not have to do compared to the truck. Maybe if you put pen to paper the sealed hubs are a wash or even cheaper if you would be paying someone to repack your bearings. Speaking of my truck, it has a leaking water pump. :eek2: The crisis continues.
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PostBy: KingCoal On: Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:13 pm

i guess i have a contribution for this thread. not happy about it because i'm going to have to outline my first TOTAL strike out on trouble shooting. :mad: :mad:

back ground, we have a 1997 Saturn SL2, have had it about 12 years. bought it with 75,000 showing, now 223xxx about 75xxx of which are from my wife towing it behind RV's she is delivering.

any way, this car has had regular and complete maint. and never given 1 hint of trouble. until this week.

we took 3 RV's to Hershey, PA. for a show on Monday and started home Tues morning about 9:30 am. drove about 300 miles non stop and decided to take a break and re fill from about 1/4 tank.

tapped the brake to release the cruise and the rpms bottomed and it was dead just that fast. still coasting in the ramp and it fired right back up and drove into the lot, till i touched the brake again and presto, dead.

i nursed it across both Ohio and Indiana by staying off the brakes and restarting after stops.

this week i have replaced the MAP, TPS, IACS, fuel filter, CPS, air filter, plugs , wires, gone thru the whole chassis / body ground wiring system, built a new neg. battery / engine, body ground cable. fogged every inch of hose and manifold connection i can get to and the dumb thing is still at it.

i can start it and it will idle fine all day if you like. i can put it in rev. back out the drive and stop with the brakes , keeps running, drop it in drive, it moves away, drop of of throttle and coast to stop , DIES. all the above and go to neutral before stop, DIES. it always starts right back up, drop it in gear and if you are on a 4 lane limited access road you can drive all day.

you can sit in the drive and go back, stop, still running, go forward, stop, still running. as many times as you like.

my wife says, stick to it, it's a short to something, and while i tend to agree to that possibility, this short is displaying every evidence of being SMARTER THAN ME.

i've spent about 5 hrs. sorting thru web sites and threads about this car and this particular problem. i've followed every suggested path of remedy and still no where.

the first guy that can point me to the solution i'll send $100.00 cash and i ain't playin' !!

thanks,
steve
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Re: I own a wheeled toilet! Vent about automotive nightmares

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:29 pm

With the headlights on main beam how do they look when it dies.
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Re: I own a wheeled toilet! Vent about automotive nightmares

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:39 pm

Sounds like you have to be above a certain speed for it to act up,is it the same speed when the doors auto-lock ?? Not sure how door lock circuit could cause the problem ? Does your cruise still work ? We had a 1988 Chevy Corsica that the lock-up torque convertor would shut the engine down,not at highway speeds but on deceleration & low speeds,but if i recall right it would shut the engine off as soon as drive was engaged. We unhooked the harness plug to the convertor & drove the car locally,we tried to keep it at speeds under 65 ,worked fine for several years like that,finally sold it at auction & it went to Philly ! Good luck,hopefully you won't have to shoot it to put it out of its misery. ( the convertor stayed locked in od all the time)
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PostBy: mozz On: Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:56 pm

windyhill4.2 wrote:Sounds like you have to be above a certain speed for it to act up,is it the same speed when the doors auto-lock ?? Not sure how door lock circuit could cause the problem ? Does your cruise still work ? We had a 1988 Chevy Corsica that the lock-up torque convertor would shut the engine down,not at highway speeds but on deceleration & low speeds,but if i recall right it would shut the engine off as soon as drive was engaged. We unhooked the harness plug to the convertor & drove the car locally,we tried to keep it at speeds under 65 ,worked fine for several years like that,finally sold it at auction & it went to Philly ! Good luck,hopefully you won't have to shoot it to put it out of its misery. ( the convertor stayed locked in od all the time)


Wife had a Chevy Caviliar 19?? wagon that would do this at stop signs. I put a switch on the wire going to the lockup convertor. It was acting like a standard that you didn't push the clutch in at stop signs.
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