New Class of Clunkers

New Class of Clunkers

PostBy: djackman On: Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:02 am

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/JustOn ... id=8374739

A program that kicks in this fall will offer consumers cash to help buy new home appliances. The federal government has set aside $300 million for the program as part of the economic stimulus plan.


What's next, cash for used toilet paper? :D
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Re: New Class of Clunkers

PostBy: cabinover On: Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:08 am

Wonder if that could be applied to a stand alone air handler with a coil in it? Hmmm...probably not although it would help me use less LPG. Isn't that energy savings as well? :roll:
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Re: New Class of Clunkers

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:22 am

I wonder how many other programs are in that wood pile that haven't emerged yet?
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Re: New Class of Clunkers

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:52 am

So where does all the cash to fund all these great "stimulus" programs come from? Reminds me of people who buy expensive items on credit and live "high on the hog" oblivious to the fact that they will never be able to pay for it all.
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Re: New Class of Clunkers

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:32 am

Well there's two sides to it, you have the original clunker problem and it injected some life into the car industry. As far as that goes it was a success it did what it was supposed to and stimulate the economy but it's just a band aid approach. The credit card analogy is pretty good, we're lessening this crisis but setting ourselves up for grater fall. That's besides the fact there is better places to spend this money. Roads, bridges, schools and other infrastructure that will have long lasting benefits should have been priorities but because of all the red tape and not being "shovel ready" the money is going to waste on things like appliances :roll: .
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Re: New Class of Clunkers

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:12 am

Knock on the door....

"Hello, I'm your neighbor and I'm sticking this gun in your face to take money from you because my car is old, my appliances use more energy than yours and I have other material desires that need satisfied. So.......fork it over."
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Re: New Class of Clunkers

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:21 am

I feel it's all about appealing to the general public, a shiny new car in the driveway and a house full of new appliances looks more appealing then a new bridge or paved road.

With these plans the administrating is hoping to increase it's popularity "See what the President did!!! Everything is wonderful now!!!"
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Re: New Class of Clunkers

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:42 am

I believe that theres alot more to the energy crisis than we think, everything thats going on now seems to be geared to reduceing energy consumsion. Even if its only a drop in the bucket I guess every little bit helps & the side benifit is jobs, theres very little produced here but we still make a good bit of our steel, appliaences & the such even the ones with a foreign name are being produced or at least assembled here. If you notice every new school or gov. building being built now are all what is considered green. IMO its just like the other failures or near failures that have all hit, they have been coming for a long time but our leaders have chosen to ignore them rather than try unpopular changes.
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Re: New Class of Clunkers

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:29 am

Cold Cash Jefferson supports this plan.

Former New Orleans congress critter William Jefferson who was convicted in a FBI bribery case, $90,000 in his freezer.
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Re: New Class of Clunkers

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:46 am

samhill wrote:I believe that theres alot more to the energy crisis than we think, everything thats going on now seems to be geared to reduceing energy consumsion.



Sam nothing wrong with energy efficiency but as far as appliances go it's irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Oil is a concern but we have enough coal to last well past the point where it will still be used:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/infosheets/ ... erves.html
EIA annually estimates recoverable coal reserves by adjusting the DRB to reflect accessibility and recovery rates in mining. As of January 1, 2008, EIA estimated that the remaining U.S. recoverable coal reserves totaled just under 263 billion short tons, from a demonstrated reserve base of 489 billion short tons.


Yearly coal consumption in the US is about 1 billion tons so if that estimate is correct at the current rate we'll run out in 263 years. :o

As far as anthracite goes:

http://www.depweb.state.pa.us/inspector ... 3&q=476150
Almost all of the nation's anthracite coal is found in eastern Pennsylvania. There are about 7 billion tons of minable anthracite coal reserves in Pennsylvania.


Assuming an average home of 2000 sq. ft that would need 5 tons per year you could heat 20 million homes for 70 years. 8-)

Just add you can make liquid fuels with coal, the Air Force was testing it out in some jets but apparently scrapped the project for the time being. My assumption is to insure or demonstrate a supply safely within our national borders so nobody goes getting any ideas. ;)
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Re: New Class of Clunkers

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:56 am

Richard S. wrote:Just add you can make liquid fuels with coal, the Air Force was testing it out in some jets but apparently scrapped the project for the time being.
Didn't they just sign a multi-million dollar deal for a plant in Montana for this?
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Re: New Class of Clunkers

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:21 am

Richard S. wrote:..........Assuming an average home of 2000 sq. ft that would need 5 tons per year you could heat 20 million homes for 70 years. 8-)


I used 5 tons in 3.5 months heating a 1600 sq.ft. house ........ what does this mean? :lol:
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Re: New Class of Clunkers

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:36 am

coaledsweat wrote:Didn't they just sign a multi-million dollar deal for a plant in Montana for this?


I may be wrong but the last I read they canceled it . My understanding is oil needs to be around $40 a barrel before its profitable but it's risky investment with such a volatile market. If it drops below threshold you're out of business.
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Re: New Class of Clunkers

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Tue Aug 25, 2009 11:24 am

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Re: New Class of Clunkers

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:03 pm

The way I look at it is not everyone lived high on the hog and in debt up to there eye brows. Uncle Sam decided to make everyone the same and we all get to pay pay pay it's just that most of us get nothing because we didn't want nothing, most of us were living within there means. Lots of money being spent, lots more money going to be needed to pay for all this. It used to be you had kids because you had sex and there wasn't birth control pills or vasectomies. Now days you have to have kids so they can pay your bills after your dead and gone. Man just wait till the stink hits the fan.

You think that maybe next they will reset everyones credit rating so people that lost a job through all this will be able to get back in the game? Yep I bet they do, lots of people hit hard by this, and lots more to come.
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