Senator Kennedy Dies At Age 77

Re: Senator Kennedy Dies At Age 77

PostBy: Paulie On: Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:27 pm

mikeandgerry wrote:That "unfortunate death", as you so forgivingly put it, revealed Teddy's true character and the propensity of his family to abuse power flagrantly. With all that abused power, how can we ever say that we can be certain all those laws you cite were the will of the people and not just the whim of the Kennedy's?

Ted was an Amercian tragedy on three levels: MaryJo Kopechne did not receive justice on an individual basis, an institution the Kennedy's claim to champion. The corruption of Massachussetts politics enabled this criminal to attain high office, a travesty to our constitutional republic. The power of family wealth that was derived from criminal activity triumphed over the Constitution.

He represented all that we should reject in American politicians. He was a national embarrassment.

Corrupt politics? No, not corrupt, the guy was a vote magnet. The base of any political power is longevity. You make deals
because people will not throw you under the bus today if they know you will be there tomorrow. You get the votes by helping
real people with real problems, not yelling and screaming some party line. Abuse of power? No, they
USED their power for the greater good, and especially for those less fortunate than themselves. Wealth from crime? No,
wealth from being smart. They did not boot leg, they bought distribution rights during prohibition, when they were worthless.
They scored when prohibition was repealed, and continue to do so from those deals. Sounds like pretty basic " buy low, sell high" capitalism.
Reject his politics? No, we should embrace his work ethic, and his ability to GET STUFF DONE. Indignation and anger make a great sound bite, but gets NOTHING done. Hence the current minority position of the republicans. They spit and
cry and accuse, but could not get stuff DONE.
Mary Jo get justice? Can there be justice for and accidental death? No, not in a civilized sense. It could have been
handled better, no doubt. He did not intentionally set out to kill anybody that night. Did he drop the ball after the accident?
Absolutely.
Kennedys' will? You do not get re-elected FOREVER if you are not taking care of your people.
National embarrassment? Not by a long shot. Every state, every country, even his political opponents respect this man
and his legacy. On that there is no debate. This man, his family, and their accomplishments are a point of pride for the nation.
Public service is often times a thankless job. How many of us would sacrifice their time, energy, blood, for the greater
good? How many of us could?
May Edward M Kennedy rest in peace, for he has surely earned it.
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Re: Senator Kennedy Dies At Age 77

PostBy: mr1precision On: Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:45 pm

I'm not glad that he died but I'm glad he's no longer in politics. I also hope that his dying wish to have the new democrat govenor appoint someone until an election can be carried out shouldnt be allowed. He has been out of the senate for a year with his illness anyway and it hasnt been a problem. He and all of his cronies made the law so Mitt Romney (R) couldnt do it when he was the govenor. Now they want to reverse it because it was his dying wish? PLEASE! They just want to make sure that two DEMOCRAT voices are heard in the senate. Let the people decide.
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Re: Senator Kennedy Dies At Age 77

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:49 pm

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/716/what-is-the-true-source-of-the-kennedy-familys-wealth
J.P. was what we call an operator. He made his money by (1) pulling various hustles before it had occurred to anyone to make them illegal, and (2) possibly pulling other hustles that were definitely illegal but generally winked at. His stock-market shenanigans were an example of the former, his Prohibition liquor business (never proven, by the way) an example of the latter.

and
Joseph P. Kennedy was the ambitious son of a prosperous Boston saloon keeper and ward boss. He married the mayor's daughter, went to Harvard, and generally made the most of his ample connections and talent. He ran a bank (admittedly two-bit) at 25, and was number-two man at a shipyard with more than 2,000 workers during World War I. At 30 he became a stockbroker and made a fortune through insider trading and stock manipulation. He was a master of the stock pool, a then-legal stunt in which a few traders conspired to inflate a stock's price, selling out just before the bubble burst.


Love them or Hate them...
They are an institution...
Vicki may redeem the Kennedy name yet...
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Re: Senator Kennedy Dies At Age 77

PostBy: Paulie On: Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:58 pm

mr1precision wrote:I'm not glad that he died but I'm glad he's no longer in politics. I also hope that his dying wish to have the new democrat govenor appoint someone until an election can be carried out shouldnt be allowed. He has been out of the senate for a year with his illness anyway and it hasnt been a problem. He and all of his cronies made the law so Mitt Romney (R) couldnt do it when he was the govenor. Now they want to reverse it because it was his dying wish? PLEASE! They just want to make sure that two DEMOCRAT voices are heard in the senate. Let the people decide.

To the victor go the spoils. Pretty standard stuff. If your party has the juice, you win. Now, if the former Lt governor had
run a reasonable campaign, we would not have Deville Duvall, and the succession for the vacant seat would not be an issue.
I am putting my money on Joe. He has the skill, the big smile , and he will be able to win in a general election.
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Re: Senator Kennedy Dies At Age 77

PostBy: mr1precision On: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:52 pm

Paulie wrote: To the victor go the spoils. Pretty standard stuff. If your party has the juice, you win. Now, if the former Lt governor had
run a reasonable campaign, we would not have Deville Duvall, and the succession for the vacant seat would not be an issue.
I am putting my money on Joe. He has the skill, the big smile , and he will be able to win in a general election.


I like Joe, I think he's nice guy. He's a much better choice than Vicky. She's just not qualified. However, I'm just sick of the Kennedy's and socialist behavior.
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Re: Senator Kennedy Dies At Age 77

PostBy: NosmoKng On: Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:55 pm

I hope the Lord is as merciful as Teddy seemed to believe.
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Re: Senator Kennedy Dies At Age 77

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:15 pm

Paulie wrote:The base of any political power is longevity. You make deals
because people will not throw you under the bus today if they know you will be there tomorrow.


Which highlights why we have the problems we have today. Firstly you have the ability to gain longevity to gain this power. Secondly you're making deals. Lets say we have a bill that isn't going to pass if the legislators vote the will of their constituents, so a bunch of legislators get together and make a deal. So now we have one bill that has passed that the people who the legislators represent do not want. It doesn't stop there because when the next bill comes up you'll have the first group that supported the first bill voting for something to return the favor. The end result is we have a bunch of crap bills the majority of the people in this country don't want.
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Re: Senator Kennedy Dies At Age 77

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:37 pm

Here's an example of "getting stuff done" for the "greater good" by the "juiced" party with all the power and glory forever and ever....


http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/edito ... ailing_us/


Apparently in Massachusetts you CAN fool all the people all the time....for the greater "non-party line" good, of course!
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Re: Senator Kennedy Dies At Age 77

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:01 am

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAkennedyE.htm

There were also doubts about the way Mary Jo Kopechne died. Dr. Donald Mills of Edgartown, wrote on the death certificate: "death by drowning". However, Gene Frieh, the undertaker, told reporters that death "was due to suffocation rather than drowning". John Farrar, the diver who removed Kopechne from the car, claimed she was "too buoyant to be full of water". It is assumed that she died from drowning, although her parents filed a petition preventing an autopsy.




BTW, I have read that the water was only about 6 feet deep where his car landed.
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Re: Senator Kennedy Dies At Age 77

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sat Aug 29, 2009 12:15 am

Paulie wrote:Corrupt politics? No, not corrupt, the guy was a vote magnet. The base of any political power is longevity. You make deals
because people will not throw you under the bus today if they know you will be there tomorrow. You get the votes by helping
real people with real problems, not yelling and screaming some party line. Abuse of power? No, they
USED their power for the greater good, and especially for those less fortunate than themselves. Wealth from crime? No,
wealth from being smart. They did not boot leg, they bought distribution rights during prohibition, when they were worthless.
They scored when prohibition was repealed, and continue to do so from those deals. Sounds like pretty basic " buy low, sell high" capitalism.
Reject his politics? No, we should embrace his work ethic, and his ability to GET STUFF DONE. Indignation and anger make a great sound bite, but gets NOTHING done. Hence the current minority position of the republicans. They spit and
cry and accuse, but could not get stuff DONE.
Mary Jo get justice? Can there be justice for and accidental death? No, not in a civilized sense. It could have been
handled better, no doubt. He did not intentionally set out to kill anybody that night. Did he drop the ball after the accident?
Absolutely.
Kennedys' will? You do not get re-elected FOREVER if you are not taking care of your people.
National embarrassment? Not by a long shot. Every state, every country, even his political opponents respect this man
and his legacy. On that there is no debate. This man, his family, and their accomplishments are a point of pride for the nation.
Public service is often times a thankless job. How many of us would sacrifice their time, energy, blood, for the greater
good? How many of us could?
May Edward M Kennedy rest in peace, for he has surely earned it.



I thought this was a joke when I started reading it. I now realize this country is in deep *censored*! :shock:

The whole corrupt way of politics in MA was started with the Kennedy's. Teddy's ol' man was the head of the mafia -- how do you think he & John F. rose to power in an age when Catholics in politics were kicked to the curb???

Republicans are elected governor in MA so they have someone to blame! As a matter of fact, ANY governor is a scapegoat!! MA is run by the House & Senate. If they want something passed, voters be damned! They'll just have a surprise 3AM session. Why do you think the seat belt law keeps coming back like a fly to *censored*??? It's been shot down -- what, 3 times already??? & yet IT STILL IS AN ISSUE IN 2009????

There is no hope for MA -- I've said it before, & every day just proves me right. :|

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqtKR_BrELU&feature=related
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Re: Senator Kennedy Dies At Age 77

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:15 am

Those silly Russians are really our friends......nothing to see here, move along.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/ted-kennedy-soviet-union-ronald-reagan-opinions-columnists-peter-robinson.html
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Re: Senator Kennedy Dies At Age 77

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:09 am

Black_And_Blue wrote:Those silly Russians are really our friends......nothing to see here, move along.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/ted-kennedy-soviet-union-ronald-reagan-opinions-columnists-peter-robinson.html


ASTOUNDING!
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Re: Senator Kennedy Dies At Age 77

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:35 am

Not surprised one bit.

This is MA politics at its finest: "we will do what's best (what we THINK is best, which usually isn't....) for the people, even if it means stepping on the presidents toes!" This is their mantra. Anything goes. :roll: :sick:
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Re: Senator Kennedy Dies At Age 77

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sat Aug 29, 2009 10:05 am

Black_And_Blue wrote:Those silly Russians are really our friends......nothing to see here, move along.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/ted-kennedy-soviet-union-ronald-reagan-opinions-columnists-peter-robinson.html



Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan.


What a great man Teddy was.
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Re: Senator Kennedy Dies At Age 77

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Aug 29, 2009 10:08 am

If there is any truth to that article it borders on treason.
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