My HW coils are looking rough after summer in damp basement

Re: My HW coils are looking rough after summer in damp basement

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:31 am

There is a first time for everything...
Did you not point him to the pictures in the forum...
Dated Aug 29...
The cleaned pictures look like the coils were mostly brushed...
But the pictures with all the crud on them...
Would have told me you were an exception...
They should make up an 'extreme coil set' for your 'testing lab'...
For free...
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Re: My HW coils are looking rough after summer in damp basement

PostBy: wlape3 On: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:35 am

"I wonder if I have some stray electrical current running through my plumbing? Using the coils as an anode, on top of moist coal ash??? Anything is possible in this house! "

Always a possibility. particularly in older homes. I would think it would attack some of the milder steel in the firebox first though.
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Re: My HW coils are looking rough after summer in damp basement

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:15 am

CapeCoaler wrote:There is a first time for everything...
Did you not point him to the pictures in the forum...
Dated Aug 29...
The cleaned pictures look like the coils were mostly brushed...
But the pictures with all the crud on them...
Would have told me you were an exception...
They should make up an 'extreme coil set' for your 'testing lab'...
For free...

I hear ya! Was hoping for a free replacement, but I had already sent him the same pics. He still didn't believe me... or at least acted like he didn't. I figured it was partially my fault anyway for not removing them Immediately & cleaning, being the honest guy that I am.. :roll: Figured a wipe of the ash was good 'nuff, but you know what they say about hindsight!


Just out of curiosity I'm going to test the pipes with my multimeter later on, if I remember. There are a bunch of ground clamps on the plumbing -- which would make sense if I had public water ... but I'm on a well with plastic pipe from the well to the house. Unless they figured the water would conduct down into the well? Who knows - part of the joy of owning a pre-regulation home! :lol:
SMITTY
 
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (not currently in use)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler


Re: My HW coils are looking rough after summer in damp basement

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:00 am

You should always have some grounding rod...
New public water supplies do not always have metal pipe either...
Lots of Cape homes have the ground still going to the old metal well pipe...
You should see some cross connecting grounding cable between water, electric and earth...
CapeCoaler
 
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Re: My HW coils are looking rough after summer in damp basement

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:55 pm

The coils are here, but I'm not expecting much of a difference due to the material used. Definitely NOT 316 or 316L- it's 304. Magnet will have a very slight pull to it on the straight sections, but noticeable pull where the tight bends are unlike regular 304. Have a look .....
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Re: My HW coils are looking rough after summer in damp basement

PostBy: wlape3 On: Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:48 pm

They probably used 304L because there are less problems with work hardening than with 316L. As long as it's kept dry it should be ok. In the chemical industry they use schedule 80 carbon steel pipe for dry chlorine gas with no problems. If it gets wet you have to use nickel alloys.
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Re: My HW coils are looking rough after summer in damp basement

PostBy: jpen1 On: Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:59 pm

Smitty you need to passivate that stainless before use or it will do the same as before. 304 stainless steel is not even mildly magnetic by itself. The reason your magnet pulls to the coils is a by product of hilkoils rusty bending dies. If there dies have rust on them that rust will chalk off and im pregnate the stainless during the forming process especially at the site of the bends, which can and will cause rust. Here is a product that should work for youhttp://www.theruststore.com/CitriSurf-77-Plus---22-oz-Bottle-P137C64.aspx. Putting a piece of brown Scotch Brite on a bolt with flat washers and going over it before the passivation as it suggests is also a good idea as well as it will remove alot of the contamination alone.
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Re: My HW coils are looking rough after summer in damp basement

PostBy: 009to090 On: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:11 pm

Well, 50% is better than 0%. :mad: But people reading this forum will keep this thread in mind when they goto order their own coil.
At least you'll have your heat back on soon. :D :cheers:
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Re: My HW coils are looking rough after summer in damp basement

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:14 pm

Thanks for all the info guys! :cheers:

I appreciate the link jpen1, but my wallet has taken a massive hit this week. Gonna be tough paying down what I've racked up this month. I picked the wrong time to buy a new generator! But I need it, as our power supply here has gone back 100 years in reliability.... then I mashed up my new truck to the tune of $2K, & now have to drop close to $300 for another coil... :roll: Thank God for credit cards....

Is there anything cheaper out there that might be sold at Lowe's or a hardware store? I'd probably give that a shot if it's cheap enough. I'm not too sure something that simple will keep this from happening in this torture-test-lab-basement! :shock: :lol:

I think next spring I'll immediately remove them while they are still hot, remove the ash WITHOUT water (not that I did that before, but just so it never has a chance to start...), give them a nice heavy coat of LPS-3 & store them upstairs with the chimney connector pipe -- which is on it's last season for the same thing!

One things for sure: I think I'll find another source for my next coils! :|
SMITTY
 
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Re: My HW coils are looking rough after summer in damp basement

PostBy: jpen1 On: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:09 pm

Smitty the brown scotch brite which many stores that sell auto body products should have would help temendously and is pretty cheap. Use the scotch bright to shine it up really good and that will remove most of the carbon steel contamination. As far as the passivation acid goes it is a mixture of nitric and citric acid. I don't know of any big box store items that will do the job for less. The problem is nitric acid usually isn't an off the shelf item because of how badly it reacts with human tissue especially the human eye. If you would get that in your eye don't even bother flushing it because you are already blind in the affected eye.
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Re: My HW coils are looking rough after summer in damp basement

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:13 pm

I gotcha ... I might have to hit the wife up for some cash! :fear: :notworthy: :nono: :funny:
SMITTY
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - custom built by Jim Dorsey
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Re: My HW coils are looking rough after summer in damp basement

PostBy: TimV On: Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:18 am

Question may already been asked...
Did this unit go to a tank which feeds your existing hotwater tank?
After the heating season did cold water still flow thru the coil and then to domestic tank?.
I think that might explain the nasty looking mess left on the pipe being caused by condensation wetting the layer of corroisve ash and water having a reactionafter being left all summer to be in a dark moist place .
Maybe if it pipe was scoured down after season or water re-routed directly thru domestic
tank for the summer....Sure does not look like a stainless pipe of the original picture
I had a guy tell me that coal dust and fly ash were bad news on metal roofing and I have a wide rusty streak running down inline with my stainless insulated chimney...I guess he was right but inside my pipe looks ok.
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Re: My HW coils are looking rough after summer in damp basement

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:40 pm

Here is an explanation of my setup in another related thread: Interesting info for those looking to purchase Hilkoil coils
SMITTY
 
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Re: My HW coils are looking rough after summer in damp basement

PostBy: kzx11 On: Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:34 am

Bull S<>> LIFETIME IS LIFETIME..........Hilkoil will not get a Dime from me or as many people as I can tell and point to this thread. They had the chance to make it Right and Failed to do so!!
I guess they are already makin too much money and don't need our Bus.

When I run into people Like this, That try to put one in ME like E-bay or elsewhere. I find a free website builder,Like freeservers and builder a nice little website all about them and how well they took care of me<>Along with pictures and all. I tell the truth The whole truth. I then send them a Link to the site,Stating I would be more than Happy to post a Link to the site in there feedback,Craigslist and any other forum that is related. It has worked very well for me~~~~~!!!!

Jim :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Re: My HW coils are looking rough after summer in damp basement

PostBy: murphyslaw On: Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:19 pm

Instead of using wd-40 next season use Fluid Film. If this stuff can keep my snow plow from rusting, I put it on everything.
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