President's Speech to Students

Re: President's Speech to Students

PostBy: rberq On: Sat Sep 05, 2009 9:46 pm

jpete wrote:But if I think there is an ulterior agenda [in public schools], I'll pull them out whether they like it or not.
Unfortunately, their ulterior agenda is to protect themselves and their jobs, and the students be damned. The teachers range from incompetent to excellent, their motivation from it's-just-another-job to dedicated, but the unions make no distinction among them, and the administrators fall back on public relations newsletters when they find they have no power to make things better. They aren't organized enough to have an ulterior agenda of teaching, unless some nutcase school board imposes it from above like "intelligent design". Every ten to fifteen years there's a new fad in how best to teach math and reading, and another generation of kids suffers while they find out that doesn't work either.

Having Obama speak to the kids is pretty innocuous, just as having Bush speak to them was pretty harmless. It might help some, and it certainly wouldn't hurt, and all the fuss is pathetic. I have to agree with Eric, "the policy of the republican party right now is to attack on every issue no matter how benign." The "liberal" news media falls right in with the GOP, pretending that loud noise by a rude minority means there has been a "shift" in public opinion -- witness the disruption of public meetings on health care.
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Re: President's Speech to Students

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:02 pm

rberq wrote:
jpete wrote:But if I think there is an ulterior agenda [in public schools], I'll pull them out whether they like it or not.
Unfortunately, their ulterior agenda is to protect themselves and their jobs, and the students be damned. The teachers range from incompetent to excellent, their motivation from it's-just-another-job to dedicated, but the unions make no distinction among them, and the administrators fall back on public relations newsletters when they find they have no power to make things better. They aren't organized enough to have an ulterior agenda of teaching, unless some nutcase school board imposes it from above like "intelligent design". Every ten to fifteen years there's a new fad in how best to teach math and reading, and another generation of kids suffers while they find out that doesn't work either.



The problem with the schools is not one of evil indoctrination, it is one of greed and incompetence.

My wife is currently home schooling our girls (7, 5, 1), but it's because her degree from Stanford makes her more educated than any teacher in the local public school system. It also allows us to travel at will. A child learns far more traveling the world and country meeting other people and seeing other places than they ever will in school.

The public schools have become daycare so moms can work so the family can afford a bigger TV set.
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Re: President's Speech to Students

PostBy: tvb On: Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:09 pm

Sigh, I wrote a nice thoughtful response on home education and it seems to have disappeared. No more time to redo it tonight as I have a 5am call in NYC which means waking up at 3. Yuck to to alarms going off at 3am.
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Re: President's Speech to Students

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:51 am

I don't see anything wrong with the President addressing students, matter of fact I think it's good idea.

I'll reserve judgment for this particular speech until I hear it, I'm sure he won't be straying into political waters especially after the uproar over it. I believe it's already available or will be if you're parent and want to read it.
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Re: President's Speech to Students

PostBy: tvb On: Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:57 am

The lesson plan on turning our children into socialists:

(Pay attention here, folks. It's complicated.)

For Pre K to 6th graders, teachers are asked to prod thoughtfulness by asking questions like, "What is the President trying to tell me?" or have the kids do thing like make posters or write poems about their academic and civic goals.

For 7th and up, discussion points include the importance of personal responsibility: "In your life, who exemplifies this kind of personal responsibility? How? Give examples?"


http://www2.ed.gov/admins/lead/academic/bts.html
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Re: President's Speech to Students

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:38 am

tvb wrote:Sigh, I wrote a nice thoughtful response on home education and it seems to have disappeared.


If you're using IE you can't do this however in any other browser the text will still be there in the posting pane if you hit the back button. Doesn't work in IE because of IE bug.
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Re: President's Speech to Students

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:01 am

tvb wrote:The lesson plan on turning our children into socialists:

(Pay attention here, folks. It's complicated.)

For Pre K to 6th graders, teachers are asked to prod thoughtfulness by asking questions like, "What is the President trying to tell me?" or have the kids do thing like make posters or write poems about their academic and civic goals.

For 7th and up, discussion points include the importance of personal responsibility: "In your life, who exemplifies this kind of personal responsibility? How? Give examples?"


http://www2.ed.gov/admins/lead/academic/bts.html


You're obfuscating the point. This is what it says NOW after all the uproar. That's NOT what the lesson plan originally said.

And originally, the Dept of Ed site said this was the first time the president had addressed all the nations school children until some one pointed out that it's not.

The speech is still billed as "historic" however. I'm not sure what's historic about it since it's been done before other than every day that goes by is technically part of history.
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Re: President's Speech to Students

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:17 am

I just think its funny how so many know what is going to be said, I don`t recall any uproar before or after the first Bush or any other Pres. in my lifetime made a speech. I say let the man say what he wants to say, I believe its called freedom of speech. Everybody cries if they even think (or have someone else that thinks for them) hint at taking away their freedoms yet some of the same people seem to have no problem with dictating what this Pres. has to say. Just my personal observation, not trying to offend anyone or to put words in their mouths nor deny them the right to speak their minds.
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Re: President's Speech to Students

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Sep 06, 2009 11:09 am

samhill wrote:I just think its funny how so many know what is going to be said, I don`t recall any uproar before or after the first Bush or any other Pres. in my lifetime made a speech. I say let the man say what he wants to say, I believe its called freedom of speech. Everybody cries if they even think (or have someone else that thinks for them) hint at taking away their freedoms yet some of the same people seem to have no problem with dictating what this Pres. has to say. Just my personal observation, not trying to offend anyone or to put words in their mouths nor deny them the right to speak their minds.


Again, it's NOT the speech that people object to. It's the lesson plan that WAS planned to drive the point home.

And he can say anything he wants, but I don't think people who choose not to hear it should be labeled as "mean", "racist" or "crazy".

That's a school yard tactic akin to calling someone "chicken" or "queer" if they don't want to do something.
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Re: President's Speech to Students

PostBy: tvb On: Sun Sep 06, 2009 11:34 am

So, Pete, if it was the lesson plan and the lesson plan has since been changed, shouldn't you all go back into your holes and dream up another controversy since this one appears to be over if what you claim is actually the truth?
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Re: President's Speech to Students

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Sep 06, 2009 12:41 pm

tvb wrote:So, Pete, if it was the lesson plan and the lesson plan has since been changed, shouldn't you all go back into your holes and dream up another controversy since this one appears to be over if what you claim is actually the truth?


How many times does a person have to lie to your face to get you to distrust them?

It only takes once for me.

And I LOVE your choice of words....I'm not "claiming" anything. Like Dear Leader is fond of saying "facts are stubborn things".
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Re: President's Speech to Students

PostBy: RMA On: Sun Sep 06, 2009 1:34 pm

"Ask NOT what your country can do for you;
Ask what you can do for your PRESIDENT"........ Barama 09

Hrrmph


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Re: President's Speech to Students

PostBy: tvb On: Sun Sep 06, 2009 2:57 pm

jpete wrote:
tvb wrote:So, Pete, if it was the lesson plan and the lesson plan has since been changed, shouldn't you all go back into your holes and dream up another controversy since this one appears to be over if what you claim is actually the truth?


How many times does a person have to lie to your face to get you to distrust them?

It only takes once for me.

And I LOVE your choice of words....I'm not "claiming" anything. Like Dear Leader is fond of saying "facts are stubborn things".


Uh, Jeff, see the post you made right above the previous one of mine.
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Re: President's Speech to Students

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:00 pm

And?
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Re: President's Speech to Students

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