Do you have a reference for that? You are pretty loose with saying what the founders thought but really light on the supporting evidence to support your assertions. "But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg". Thomas Jefferson, 1782.
Oh dear God, please! I need a reference that the Founders knew what the word "religion" meant? Only a liberal would ask for a link on this. lol
/ErikLaurence wrote:But you are arguing in support of laws based on the specific dogmas of the Abrahamic religions.
No, I am not.
I am arguing that the fence separating religion from government is a picket fence. Thus, the internalized beliefs of any religion are part of the individual adherent and it is rightfully reflected in their citizenship practices. In other words, homosexuality could be outlawed because it is within the state's right to do so if it pursues it. There is no prohibition against it despite your reading of the 14th amendment.
But, because the Constitution leaves certain matters to the states, the people establish certain laws that are valid yet at times incongruous with other states. The left will prevail in the issue of gay marriage rights not because of the first amendment protection of religion, but because just one state adopted the legality of gay marriage rights in civil law. Since other states must recognize these marriages they will eventually follow suit.
I have given you a warning about the approach of the left in using the first amendment freedom of religion as a conduit for the resolution of civil rights issues. The adoption of certain religious practices by religious groups that have been infiltrated by politically motivated leadership runs counter to the expectation of the Founders. (No, I don't need a link because we all have an expectation that institutions are run ostensibly for the furtherance of their spiritual goals, not political goals.) The slipery slope the left opens is a flexibility to all cultural values that will place our current culture at risk of domination. Krushchev was right that the west will hang itself if not careful.
The immediate adoption of all practices of all religions without some scrutiny would have been offensive to the Founders. Their world was predominantly western culture. (Again I do not need a link or reference for this assertion.) They knew and understood the unchanging nature of the world's major religions and the cultural morality that eminated from them.
The definition of religion then wasn't an issue. Now it is. Cultural morality is changing. Our Ancestors believed that blacks weren't fully human and allowed slavery and also excluded them from voting as full citizens. They also excluded women from voting. Both changes in cultural morality were followed by Constitutional amendments. Why should gay rights be any different?
Ultimately it protects gays and the Constitution.
mikeandgerry wrote:If Jesus came back tomorrow and did as you say and one of his new beliefs was that liberals were sinners that should immediately be put to death by Christians, wouldn't you want the secular government to act with some restraint on their beliefs?
Your right to practice religion stops when it interferes with the rights of others to "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness".
I don't recall anything in the Constitution to that effect. Nothing in the document protected slaves or women. But I would agree with you. However, those Rastafarians probably still question the government stomping on their maryjane smoking sacreament. What say you there?