Our Founding Fathers on Christianity

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Re: Our Founding Fathers on Christianity

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:00 am

mikeandgerry wrote: Deists in 1776 would have found homosexuality a perversion. Today, not so. Hopefully, it is the will of the people not just the will of the media elites. The shift in cultural morality must be documented in the Constitution for the security of this nation.

No question they would have found it perversion. But remember Deists in 1776 owned slaves. So they could be wrong about moral issues.

As for culture, it's defined by the people, not the government. In Boston there's a St Patricks day parade. In California there's Cinco de Mayo. In Chicago there's Polish celebrations. We're all immigrants (except the Indians). In a free country people are free to associate with whom they wish and celebrate what they want to celebrate. Again, individual liberty is the foundation of this nation.
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Re: Our Founding Fathers on Christianity

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:01 am

ErikLaurence wrote:
mikeandgerry wrote: homosexuality could be outlawed because it is within the state's right to do so if it pursues it. There is no prohibition against it despite your reading of the 14th amendment.

If being a homosexual is defined by ones actions you are incorrect. The supreme court struck down all the nations remaining sodomy laws in 2003 in Lawrence v Texas.

If homosexuality is not defined by ones acts what exactly are you making illegal?

Erik, you just don't seem to understand that just because the cultural morality has shifted and the law has been changed by your peers to support your conclusions, it doesn't make your ancestry wrong. It simply makes you (us) arrogant. Absent medical technology homosexual/bisexual behavior could cause an epidemic if widely accepted. So too could rampant promiscuity. While the secular law should not embrace all religious morality. Much of religious morality was for survival. That being said, our ancestors weren't all wrong on every moral issue.
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Re: Our Founding Fathers on Christianity

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:14 am

ErikLaurence wrote: We're all immigrants (except the Indians).

Indians, too.

From Kennewick Man, Wikipedia:

The biological diversity among ancient skulls in the Americas has further complicated attempts to establish how closely Kennewick Man is related to any modern Native American tribes.[5] Skulls older than 8,000 years old have been found to possess greater physical diversity than do those of modern Native Americans. This range implies that there was a genetic shift in populations about 8,000 years ago. The heterogeneity of these early people shows that genetic drift had already occurred, meaning the racial type represented by Kennewick Man had been in existence for a considerable period of time.[5]

The discovery of Kennewick Man, along with other ancient skeletons, has furthered scientific debate over the exact origin and history of early Native American people.[5] The prevailing hypothesis holds that a single wave of migration occurred, consisting of hunters and gatherers following large herds of game, which wandered across the Bering land bridge around 12,000 years ago. Other hypotheses contend that there were numerous waves of migration to the Americas. The apparent diversity of ancient skeletal remains, which may include traits not typically associated with modern Native Americans, has been used as evidence to support these rival hypotheses. Recent (2008) evidence on the genetics of modern populations argues that they originated in a single migration. [8]
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