The Decline And Fall Of The United States

The Decline And Fall Of The United States

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:44 am

I feel our country is in a gradual decline. Patriotism and love of country is a thing of the past, as well as the ability to produce everything we need here. We are being overrun with immigrants who say "In my country...." when referring to something from where they came from instead of "In (insert country name here), where I came from, we used to........" When my grandmother immigrated here from Italy there were no signs in Italian, no welfare, no "food stamps" to make her new life easier. I say this decline began in the late 1960's during the Vietnam war. Ronald Reagan was the only President since that tried to steer the country back to what it once was. Read about how our country was after World War II as compared to how it is now. Have the best years gone by?
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Re: The Decline And Fall Of The United States

PostBy: Dann757 On: Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:58 am

It sure does seem that way. Maybe we have been conditioned by the media. I pay my bills and stay out of debt by living within my means. I don't like the tremendous debt the country is in. I don't like to see the undermining of our American Culture. I go into stores and don't even hear English being spoken anymore.
I'm thinking about 9/11-- I went up to Washington Rock Park that morning and the Twin towers were gone and a plume of smoke was filling the sky... things certainly haven't been the same since then.
I hear this country is a great experiment in tolerance. I try to be tolerant but it does seem to be getting harder to tolerate all the changes coming along.
There are millions and millions of humans living in abject poverty in this world; all I can do is get through each day and be grateful for the opportunities that are still available to me.
I'm grateful for this forum, which is a bastion of American Culture-- self-sufficient people who like to talk about coal, homes, politics, guns, self-sufficiency, freedom of speech!!!
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Re: The Decline And Fall Of The United States

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:09 am

Manufacturing and agriculture are the only ways to create true wealth.

Durable good production has largely been outsourced, so looking ahead it might be a good idea to learn how to farm for yourself.

Expansionist monetary policies using fiat currency creates false wealth and boom/bust cycles. You are living in interesting times. We may very well witness the collapse of the USD. The Government is the "lender" of last resort and you witnessed that card being played last fall. When the government can no longer service the interest on the debt, the only choice left is default. Who is going to bail out the government?

The Federal Reserve has been purchasing our own debt through treasury actions, I believe they call this monetizing, a colorful term for reckless money printing. A short study of history will show you how this policy will end.

I'm not a financial genius but simple observations indicate more trouble lies ahead.
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Re: The Decline And Fall Of The United States

PostBy: franco b On: Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:45 am

Rome fell when about half the population worked for the government. We are at about 25 percent now,but if you take into consideration the inordinate numbers making a living from the health industry we are dangerously close to the magic number where too few are paying for too many.

"They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work"
Russian communist worker

Richard
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Re: The Decline And Fall Of The United States

PostBy: VigIIPeaBurner On: Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:18 pm

I agree that it seems that the best has passed in our lifetimes. We see most clearly what influences our life. I clearly recall thinking that this might be the best of times, at least for me, about five years ago. What happened? A lot. Like John, Dan and B&B said a confluence of events: from the impact of free trade agreements, 24x7 media and just too much stuff to "have to have" that creates the drive for the debt based style the country pursues. In the 60' we laid stuff away - what the hell was a credit card. When I was a kid, I looked forward to going with Dad to Sears and Roebucks to make a payment on tools he was in the process of buying. Now they make special wallets to hold all the plastic card that are ready mortgage future income. The news was on TV once in the evening and was presented to us by the Cronkites - straight news - that segued another that gave us their 2 minute opinion of the previous news segment. Now there's talking heads on many more TV channels or radio stations that tell us constantly what they think in a way that makes us want to agree with them. There use to be work available just about anywhere that paid a reasonable wage. I remember those charts that quirky Ross Perot showed us when he warned about that giant sucking sound. There use to be laws in place to protect our economy but that's all history now, but not in other countries. Companies can go anywhere and do anything that's best for their bottom line. The last tariff I remember was put in place by Regan in '84 to protect Harley Davidson from closing because of the competition from large Japanese bikes. It worked really well for them, just look back a few years at what HD's stock was before the bubble economies began to burst in a cascade fashion. Sorry, I wanted to get into it rather than reinforce what others said but the whole thing pisxxx me off and threw me into a long reminising rant. It doesn't have to be this way, we changed it before and we can do it again - it's just a bigger world with a whole lot more people in it than in the last century. It's just figuring out the "how" and doing it.
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Re: The Decline And Fall Of The United States

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:33 pm

Now they make special wallets to hold all the plastic card that are ready mortgage future income.


My solution to that was to close all my credit card accounts. I have a debit card linked to my checking account. If I don't have the money, I don't buy it.
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Re: The Decline And Fall Of The United States

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:08 pm

Read "The Creature from Jekyll Island" and you'll understand that even the money in your checking account is vapor.

As soon as you put it in the bank, the bank loaned it and 9 times that much out.

And forget about paying off, or even paying down the debt. When you monetize debt like we do, debt is money and money is power.

It is not in the interest of the ruling elite to lower the debt. In fact, increasing the debt is the best thing they can do.....for them.
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Re: The Decline And Fall Of The United States

PostBy: VigIIPeaBurner On: Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:17 pm

jpete wrote:As soon as you put it in the bank, the bank loaned it and 9 times that much out.

And forget about paying off, or even paying down the debt. When you monetize debt like we do, debt is money and money is power.

It is not in the interest of the ruling elite to lower the debt. In fact, increasing the debt is the best thing they can do.....for them.


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Re: The Decline And Fall Of The United States

PostBy: VigIIPeaBurner On: Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:19 pm

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Re: The Decline And Fall Of The United States

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sat Sep 12, 2009 1:26 pm

Wood'nCoal wrote:I say this decline began in the late 1960's during the Vietnam war. Ronald Reagan was the only President since that tried to steer the country back to what it once was. Read about how our country was after World War II as compared to how it is now. Have the best years gone by?


I hate to say it but I think you are correct and I think the best years have gone by. I also think you nailed it as to when this steep decline started, the 60's. That was the beginning of the end.
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I heard an interesting stat the other day I'd like to share. A trillion doesn't sound like much if you say it fast. If you were to stack $100.00 bills up equal to a trillion dollars, it would be over 1,000 MILES high!
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Re: The Decline And Fall Of The United States

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:35 am

The beginning of the end was 1913 when the Fed got it's hooks in.
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Re: The Decline And Fall Of The United States

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:36 am

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Re: The Decline And Fall Of The United States

PostBy: VigIIPeaBurner On: Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:57 am

jpete wrote:The beginning of the end was 1913 when the Fed got it's hooks in.


... or stated in other words; When the bankers convinced the politicians to create (the Federal Reserve Act) their own government agency to legitimate private banking's control of the monitary system. Check out who makes up the board, it's interesting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_System
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Re: The Decline And Fall Of The United States

PostBy: coalmeister On: Sun Sep 13, 2009 8:37 pm

franco b wrote:Rome fell when about half the population worked for the government. We are at about 25 percent now,but if you take into consideration the inordinate numbers making a living from the health industry we are dangerously close to the magic number where too few are paying for too many.

"They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work"
Russian communist worker

Richard


It is probably 50% if you include all those on the government take that don't even work
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Re: The Decline And Fall Of The United States

PostBy: coalmeister On: Sun Sep 13, 2009 8:44 pm

I couldn't agree more and am making contingency plans for my kids outside the country. It is agreed by all we will be $20 trillion in debt in ten years. That is $300,000 per family of 4. No one has yet been able to explain to me a successful conclusion to this issue other than printing money which will destroy this country. A gold stash would seem to me to be wise, remember the Golden Rule: "He who owns the gold will rule"
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