This might be a window into Obama's health plan......

Re: This might be a window into Obama's health plan......

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Sun Sep 13, 2009 8:40 am

coalkirk wrote:When Obama says there is nothing in the bill that will provide benfits to illegal aliens, he is technically correct. The problem is the dems voted down provisions several times in commitee that would have provided a mechinism to verify citizenship.


You're having a cardiac arrest, Your wife calls 911. The ambulance gets there in 3 minutes. She can't find your wallet with your "citizenship verification card". It takes her 6 minutes to find your passport. In the interim, you die.

Maybe we can all get state sponsored citizenship bar codes tattooed on us... :fear:
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Re: This might be a window into Obama's health plan......

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sun Sep 13, 2009 8:52 am

As usual, you've made a ridiculous argument with an example that doesn't fit. No one in this country is denied emergency health care. Go to any emergency room and it looks like mexico city.
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Re: This might be a window into Obama's health plan......

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:34 am

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Re: This might be a window into Obama's health plan......

PostBy: mr1precision On: Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:30 am

ErikLaurence wrote:Watch the video from the signing I posted and tell me again how Mitt fought this thing.


I'm sorry....when did I say he fought it? Romney said there some mandates added that he wouldnt have added and that unlike Obamacare it didnt include a government run agency.
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Re: This might be a window into Obama's health plan......

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:35 am

coalkirk wrote:As usual, you've made a ridiculous argument with an example that doesn't fit. No one in this country is denied emergency health care. Go to any emergency room and it looks like mexico city.



Yes I know. I took it to its logical conclusion.

We already have socialized medicine for all.

It's called the emergency room. That's the most expensive venue you can treat people. People let simple things go on until they become an emergency because treating it early requires they pay (if they don't have insurance). Then once it becomes an emergency they are treated at 10X the expense (and we're paying) of what it would have cost if they had gone in when it was early in the disease.

If you think the emergency room treating everyone is OK then you've already bought into socialized medicine.
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Re: This might be a window into Obama's health plan......

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:45 am

I think emergency room treatment for REAL emergencys is ok for everyone but 90% of those there, especially illegals, is for non-emergency care. Per Federal law, they can't be denied it. I would change the law to only require them to treat true emergencys.
True health care reform can't occur in this country until we deal in a serious way with illegal immigration. I would also make a serious federal crime to employ or rent to illegal aliens. That along with denying non-emergency health care for free would cause them to self deport. Maybe they'll go to Canada or Europe where they have such wonderful "free" health care.
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Re: This might be a window into Obama's health plan......

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:49 am

coalkirk wrote:I think emergency room treatment for REAL emergencys is ok for everyone but 90% of those there, especially illegals, is for non-emergency care. Per Federal law, they can't be denied it. I would change the law to only require them to treat true emergencys.
True health care reform can't occur in this country until we deal in a serious way with illegal immigration. I would also make a serious federal crime to employ or rent to illegal aliens. That along with denying non-emergency health care for free would cause them to self deport. Maybe they'll go to Canada or Europe where they have such wonderful "free" health care.



I'm cool with all of that.

If they can't get jobs then they won't come.
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Re: This might be a window into Obama's health plan......

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:11 am

:cheers:
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Re: This might be a window into Obama's health plan......

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:04 pm

I think there should be another operation *censored* just like Ike had, only beef up the boarder first, put up signs in spanish & english that there is a kill on site zone if need be. What do you think would happen to a poor american that got got illegaly in Mexico?
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Re: This might be a window into Obama's health plan......

PostBy: Yanche On: Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:53 pm

What I don't understand is why someone hasn't proposed land mining the border. With military grade GPS receivers you could accurately map a mines position to within a few centimeters absolute accuracy. Removal, if ever needed, could be a simple robot operation.
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Re: This might be a window into Obama's health plan......

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Sun Sep 13, 2009 5:17 pm

samhill wrote:I think there should be another operation *censored* just like Ike had, only beef up the boarder first, put up signs in spanish & english that there is a kill on site zone if need be. What do you think would happen to a poor american that got got illegaly in Mexico?


Are you equally concerned for Guatemalan immigrants entering Mexico?
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Re: This might be a window into Obama's health plan......

PostBy: coalmeister On: Sun Sep 13, 2009 8:28 pm

Problem is, big O will promise and write anything into the bill to get it passed right now. Then over the next couple years he will try to quietly add whatever he and his lib buddies want. Just like McCain and his buds trying to legalize the illegals, what is it, 3 time now they have tried? What a bunch of sellouts we have in Washington, next time we need to clean house of ALL of them and just keep doing it til they get it.
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Re: This might be a window into Obama's health plan......

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:16 pm

If big O & all those before him & after him have are going to put whatever they want into bills anyway why even have a government at all, go back to every man for himself.
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Re: This might be a window into Obama's health plan......

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:46 pm

samhill wrote:If big O & all those before him & after him have are going to put whatever they want into bills anyway why even have a government at all, go back to every man for himself.


Because then the government sends the military down to kill you and your family.

Ask Randy Weaver.
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Re: This might be a window into Obama's health plan......

PostBy: coalmeister On: Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:47 pm

samhill wrote:If big O & all those before him & after him have are going to put whatever they want into bills anyway why even have a government at all, go back to every man for himself.


Just throw them ALL out of office at once and they'll figure it out in a hurry
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