NO STOVE ALLOWED IN GARAGE - SAYS INS. CO.

Re: NO STOVE ALLOWED IN GARAGE - SAYS INS. CO.

PostBy: scrapper_23jr On: Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:52 pm

i i have my house,shop,mothers house, and both rental propertys heated with coal boilers through State Farm, no problems, or questions.SCRAPPER
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Re: NO STOVE ALLOWED IN GARAGE - SAYS INS. CO.

PostBy: davidmcbeth3 On: Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:59 pm

Poconoeagle wrote:Maybe if you phrased is differently? heating appliance? or certified heating applience? or boiler or such?:


Probably don't want to play word games with them ... may cost you in the end ... you can have them exempt any damage caused by it (but then you are taking the risk).

How about outside coal burning units that are available?
davidmcbeth3
 
Coal Size/Type: nut/pea/anthra
Stove/Furnace Make: Hitzer
Stove/Furnace Model: 503

Re: NO STOVE ALLOWED IN GARAGE - SAYS INS. CO.

PostBy: davidmcbeth3 On: Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:00 pm

stokerstove wrote:If they are worried about an open flame with possible gasoline vapors etc. in the garage, then what's the difference with an oil or gas fired unit?
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Most don't like these either ..
davidmcbeth3
 
Coal Size/Type: nut/pea/anthra
Stove/Furnace Make: Hitzer
Stove/Furnace Model: 503


Re: NO STOVE ALLOWED IN GARAGE - SAYS INS. CO.

PostBy: Yanche On: Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:02 pm

All building codes that I've seen prohibit "solid fueled appliances" in garages. That's a fact.

Now for the difficult part. What's a solid fueled appliance? The codes are not clear, but in general any solid fuel appliance with a direct open door path to a flame would be prohibited. The code does allow an appliance manufacture to certify where a "solid fueled appliance" can be used. So if your particular appliance is garage certified in could be used and not in violation of the law. My opinion is coal boilers would be more likely be certified than coal stoves. The code does also allow for "an engineered" solution to the safety hazard. This is where an installation would have a Professional Engineers seal on the design drawings. In effect this is transferring the design risk to the P.E. A third method is approval of the "Authority Having Jurisdiction". This is usually your state's fire marshal. Good luck trying this.

Now what does an insurance company have to do with this? Nothing, absolutely nothing. They have no authority to enforce laws. They can't waive any law requirement. What they do is insure risk. They look at your installation and judge if you are a reasonable risk. In principal, higher risk, higher premium. Too high of a risk, for one insurance companies underwriting polices results in no coverage. A insurance company will insure risky things, even stupid things for the right premium.
Yanche
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Alternate Heating Systems S-130
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea

Re: NO STOVE ALLOWED IN GARAGE - SAYS INS. CO.

PostBy: xandrew245x On: Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:19 am

I called state farm a few months ago when I was looking for stoves and they had no problem with coal stoves.
xandrew245x
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: aarrow stratford
Coal Size/Type: nut/anthracite
Other Heating: Harman p43 pellet stove in living room, oil boiler

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PostBy: coaledsweat On: Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:38 am

xandrew245x wrote:I called state farm a few months ago when I was looking for stoves and they had no problem with coal stoves.

Tell them you want to put it in the garage and see what happens. I'm sure the agent just assumed it would be in the house.
coaledsweat
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260M
Coal Size/Type: Pea

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PostBy: freetown fred On: Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:01 pm

Double ditto with State Farm.
freetown fred
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: HITZER 50-93
Coal Size/Type: BLASCHAK Nut/Stove mix

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PostBy: mariohotshot On: Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:12 pm

My Stove supplier told me about an install he had. Once he got there, the owner wanted it installed in the garage. He refused, returned the money to the buyer and took the stove back. He said he will not take the risk or the responsibility if something goes wrong. He also said he refuses to sell stoves to buyers who mention they will personally install it in their garage.
mariohotshot
 
Stove/Furnace Make: keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: 105

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PostBy: coalfan On: Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:29 pm

yes i agree state farm noooo problems just had to get pics of install and measurements to verify the clearances !all good !dont let your ins. company run you ,more than one out there !!!!!!!
coalfan
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: handfed coal stove
Coal Size/Type: nut/ pea ant.some bit.
Stove/Furnace Model: hitzer /soon new ds1400/1500

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PostBy: waldo lemieux On: Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:36 pm

I have state farm and I put my efm in the garage. Now I dont do anything stoopid like parking a leaky gas tank in there ;) Just to be clear though ,I do plenty of other stoopid things in there.... just no fire related stuff :D
waldo lemieux
 
Stove/Furnace Make: efm
Stove/Furnace Model: s-20

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PostBy: xandrew245x On: Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:40 pm

When I called state farm about my coal stove they told me they didn't need anything and it wouldn't effect my policy.
xandrew245x
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: aarrow stratford
Coal Size/Type: nut/anthracite
Other Heating: Harman p43 pellet stove in living room, oil boiler

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PostBy: freetown fred On: Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:03 pm

That's ridiculous. You stated he's a stove supplier, what someone does with a purchase is up to them. For him to not do the install I can understand.
mariohotshot wrote:My Stove supplier told me about an install he had. Once he got there, the owner wanted it installed in the garage. He refused, returned the money to the buyer and took the stove back. He said he will not take the risk or the responsibility if something goes wrong. He also said he refuses to sell stoves to buyers who mention they will personally install it in their garage.
freetown fred
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: HITZER 50-93
Coal Size/Type: BLASCHAK Nut/Stove mix

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PostBy: mariohotshot On: Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:48 am

freetown fred wrote:That's ridiculous. You stated he's a stove supplier, what someone does with a purchase is up to them. For him to not do the install I can understand.
mariohotshot wrote:My Stove supplier told me about an install he had. Once he got there, the owner wanted it installed in the garage. He refused, returned the money to the buyer and took the stove back. He said he will not take the risk or the responsibility if something goes wrong. He also said he refuses to sell stoves to buyers who mention they will personally install it in their garage.


He said it was a conscious thing! He cares more about safety than the money aspect.
mariohotshot
 
Stove/Furnace Make: keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: 105

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PostBy: samhill On: Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:15 am

I have no problem with my insurance agent, he told me stories about others refusing a coal or wood burner but yet turn a blind eye to a burning outfit & a welding machine. :?
samhill
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: keystoker 160
Hand Fed Coal Stove: hitzer 75 in garage
Stove/Furnace Make: keystoker/hitzer
Stove/Furnace Model: koker 160/ hitzer 75