NO STOVE ALLOWED IN GARAGE - SAYS INS. CO.

NO STOVE ALLOWED IN GARAGE - SAYS INS. CO.

PostBy: stokerstove On: Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:08 pm

Just got what I believe is the final reply from my insurance company about a stove in my garage - NO - can't do it. They won't even discuss it. They say its against their underwriter's rules.

Seems to me that whoever makes these rules has no idea about how safe a properly installed coal unit is. If they are worried about an open flame with possible gasoline vapors etc. in the garage, then what's the difference with an oil or gas fired unit?

Good thing I checked before I bought the stoker stove I was looking at! Maybe the kerosene torpedo heater I have isn't allowed either!

Has anyone else dealt with a similar situation and if so, how did you handle it? I did think of contacting other companies but I would have to change the auto policies too.

Thanks
stokerstove
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska Kodiak Stokerstove 1

Re: NO STOVE ALLOWED IN GARAGE - SAYS INS. CO.

PostBy: cabinover On: Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:20 pm

That just goes to show you how foolish these insurance companies are. Mine don't mind one in the garage but it's a no-go in the house. Go figure.
cabinover
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Hybrid Axeman Anderson 130
Baseburners & Antiques: Sparkle #12
Coal Size/Type: Pea, Buckwheat, Nut
Other Heating: LP Hot air. WA TX for coal use.

Re: NO STOVE ALLOWED IN GARAGE - SAYS INS. CO.

PostBy: 009to090 On: Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:25 pm

Build a parition around around the stove, add a door, and call it a Utility Room, not garage. Don't even mention 'garage' to the insurance comp. :idea:
009to090
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM 520 HighBoy
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: DVC-500 x 2
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Rice


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PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:26 pm

Maybe if you phrased is differently? heating appliance? or certified heating applience? or boiler or such. they are as stupid as thier manager allows them to be. My good friend worked for bankers ins for many years. when the time came for a client to ask them about ins for a large sail boat, the boss came up to John and said, " hey John, you have a big sail boat , whats the deal.....

Thus John became the expert for all the larger sailing vessel's the co insured.

maybe your agent is putting his 2 cents into the equation? ask who the underwriter is and question thier motives. :?:
Poconoeagle
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Buckwalter & Co. , EFM520
Stove/Furnace Model: No. 28 Glenwood 1880, Alaska

Re: NO STOVE ALLOWED IN GARAGE - SAYS INS. CO.

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:28 pm

DVC500 at last wrote:Build a parition around around the stove, add a door, and call it a Utility Room, not garage. Don't even mention 'garage' to the insurance comp. :idea:




yeah or boiler room or service utility room.
Poconoeagle
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Buckwalter & Co. , EFM520
Stove/Furnace Model: No. 28 Glenwood 1880, Alaska

Re: NO STOVE ALLOWED IN GARAGE - SAYS INS. CO.

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:57 pm

I understand the frustration but keep in mind if something happens and it's even remotely related to the boiler... You can bet they are going to refuse to pay the bill.

One other thing to note and probably more important than the ins. company is this is probably against the building code. I know that in least one other thread it was mentioned.
Richard S.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Van Wert VA1200
Coal Size/Type: Buckwheat/Anthracite

Re: NO STOVE ALLOWED IN GARAGE - SAYS INS. CO.

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:02 pm

HMmm yeah i guess the building code is one of the final answers there... 8-)
Poconoeagle
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Buckwalter & Co. , EFM520
Stove/Furnace Model: No. 28 Glenwood 1880, Alaska

Re: NO STOVE ALLOWED IN GARAGE - SAYS INS. CO.

PostBy: stokerstove On: Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:20 pm

I didn't even get to the building code part since I was shot down right away by the ins. Co. I think I'll check this out anyway.

The utility room/boiler room ideas are good as is re-phrasing the term "Coal Stove" or "Stoker".

Just wish there was a reasonable person with a little common sense you could talk to at these companies.

Thanks for the replies.
stokerstove
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska Kodiak Stokerstove 1

Re: NO STOVE ALLOWED IN GARAGE - SAYS INS. CO.

PostBy: cabinover On: Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:28 pm

stokerstove wrote:
Just wish there was a reasonable person with a little common sense you could talk to at these companies.



If you find that one in a million, please give out her/his name. I'm sure they'd find quite a few willing partners.
cabinover
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Hybrid Axeman Anderson 130
Baseburners & Antiques: Sparkle #12
Coal Size/Type: Pea, Buckwheat, Nut
Other Heating: LP Hot air. WA TX for coal use.

Re: NO STOVE ALLOWED IN GARAGE - SAYS INS. CO.

PostBy: 009to090 On: Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:36 pm

stokerstove wrote:I didn't even get to the building code part since I was shot down right away by the ins. Co. I think I'll check this out anyway.

The utility room/boiler room ideas are good as is re-phrasing the term "Coal Stove" or "Stoker".

Just wish there was a reasonable person with a little common sense you could talk to at these companies.

Thanks for the replies.

Yeah, ask your building inspector first: Make your suggestions and show him a scaled drawing, as to where you WANT to install it, and ask him what it would take to "Make it so". He should be more than happy to review your floor plan, and make suggestions that the insurance company should agree with.
Also, an architect could draw this up to code for you too.
And, you can always get a different insurance company :D
Still many options you could pursue...
009to090
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM 520 HighBoy
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: DVC-500 x 2
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Rice

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PostBy: snuffy On: Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:37 pm

As I understand the interpretation of the building codes, a concrete lip (height unknown off hand) is to separate a garage floor from a flaming heating source. The reason, I'm told, is because explosive gas fumes travel low along a floor. It may have something to do with temp differences between a colder floor and the atmosphere above it. As most heating appliances like stoves and furnaces draw combustion air from the lower part of the unit it seems to make sense. Obviously direct vent units use outside air so it appears building codes and insurance companies sometimes defy logic. Just some fuel for thought.

Snuffy

P.S. I'm not a code enforcement officer or a chemical engineer, just passing along info gleened from experienced folks I've met along the way.
snuffy
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman SF250 & Mark III backup
Other Heating: Oil Hot Water

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PostBy: stoker-man On: Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:13 am

In a commercial setting, an L & I inspector will measure that the firepot of the stoker is 18" off the floor in a garage setting, for fumes, as mentioned above. Never mind the fact that the air intake is about 8" off the floor.
stoker-man
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: 1981 efm wcb-24 in use 365 days a year
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite/Chestnut
Other Heating: Hearthstone wood stove

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PostBy: mazz On: Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:55 pm

i just bought my childhood home from my parents and we had a coal furnace my whole life when i went buy it from no insurance company would write me a policy and thats without them even looking at it.
mazz
 
Stove/Furnace Make: hunter
Stove/Furnace Model: hunter

Re: NO STOVE ALLOWED IN GARAGE - SAYS INS. CO.

PostBy: 009to090 On: Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:24 pm

mazz wrote:i just bought my childhood home from my parents and we had a coal furnace my whole life when i went buy it from no insurance company would write me a policy and thats without them even looking at it.

What ins comp did your parents use? Can you use the same one?
009to090
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM 520 HighBoy
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: DVC-500 x 2
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Rice

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PostBy: sharkman8810 On: Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:20 pm

If your in P.A. i got erie insurance company for my home owners. My insurace agent even burns a coal stove to heat his house. No problems what so ever. They do cars, life insurance etc. Look em up and give them a try.
sharkman8810
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: hitzer 82 ul
Coal Size/Type: nut
Stove/Furnace Make: hitzer
Stove/Furnace Model: 82 u.l.


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