stonyloam wrote:Wingnut: take a look at this thread Vermont Castings Vigilant Coal Kit Install Manual photos at the bottom of page 1. Is that the part you are missing? Number 23 in this diagram http://www.woodmanspartsplus.com/68/cat ... rence.html . If it is, that part does two things, it keeps the coal contained, and the lower front edge of the casting contacts the door gasket when the door is closed. This forces all of the incoming air to pass through the burning coal in the firebox. The older and new VC stoves are completely different designs. The vig 1.0 was designed to use a hopper and has a relatively shallow coal bed, where the doors must seal tightly to the insert, while the Vig II is designed to be more like a conventional coal stove with a deep bed, proper air flow is not dependent on a tight door seal. The grill is designed to keep the coal from the doors, but not designed to seal the stove. I am not sure that the grill would do what you need it to do. You might make some calls to VC dealers, one may have that piece laying around in the backroom someplace. Good luck.
wingnut74 wrote:..>8|8<...Stonyloam: No, that grille piece, aka #23 is installed and in place. The problem I am having is that when I load up the stove with coal, the front doors will start to glow red. I think this is caused by two things, 1. The doors are warped and air is getting in causing a front burn, and 2. When the stove is loaded up with coal, the coal will rest against the doors, causing them to warp. I was thinking if I got that front grille piece off the VIgilant 2.0 design (viewed here #9: http://www.stovepartsplus.com/Merchant5 ... G-1400.pdf)and modified it to fit my Vigilant 1.0, I could keep the coal off the doors, thus preserving the new doors I am about to purchase.
Also, I have the hopper, but it is not installed. I got the stove from my dad, who warned me not to use the hopper, as fire could get into it, and then all hell could break loose. So needless to say, I have stayed away from it...
stonyloam wrote:OK I understand now! Peaburner has it right. The Vig 1.0 is designed to be used with the hopper. You never want the coal to be higher than the front of the insert. Filling above the level of the front is asking for disaster with hot coals spilling out when the doors are opened. Hate to say this but your father is dead wrong on this one, as said above the fire can't burn very much up into the hopper because of lack of draft. If the top is on the hopper and the little loading door is properly installed the fire will die out long before it gets high up into the hopper (in 25 years never had fire go high in hopper). Even with the grill to protect the doors you still will have a problem with the sides and fireback of the stove above the insert not being protected by firebrick, could lead to problems. If you continue to use it without the hopper, you should probably not fill it any higher than the top of the insert, maybe pile it up a little in the center of the firebox. You might try it with the hopper, I think you will be pleasantly surprised at how easy it becomes. I know you might have a hard time explaining to your father . Good luck!
1. Order new doors w/gasket kit (Since my doors are warped from not using the hopper).
2. Install doors and make sure they are airtight against the front grille, aka. Part #23
3. Install hopper and load it up...
With the airtight doors, the hopper will then become safe and effective, and my dad will be very surprised. This stove has been in use since 1982, and the hopper has been in a box the whole time...
When this stove was new, it had glass inserts in the doors. With the hopper in use, the new doors can have the glass in them right? Or are the glass inserts a whole other problem?
Thanks for the insight!
rewinder wrote:haven't been on here for a while and been reading this thread again.
this year I got a load of nut coal by accident that was really bigger than any nut I have tried before. In order to burn in my Vig, I had to raise the hopper throat pieces to make the coal bed deeper and allow the coal to spill out frontwards to neat the top of the front grill "teeth" It burns well, and I think it holds the set temp longer hours than the pea between tending, but is harder to revive an old fire due to the inherent shallow fire depth of the older vig's.
I just got a ton of the Blaschak nut coal. Where would you set the hopper for this type? Most of the chunks are about the length of my thumb, and maybe a little but wider. I did read that anthracite nut was recommended for this model...
Also,does the hopper itself need to be cemented together? Since mine has never been used, it was just hand tightened and placed in a storage box...
Thanks again to everyone for the help!
rewinder wrote:the heat settings of the thermostat handle will hold the same temps at 40deg or zero , wind or no.---with a baro-- with out it's harder to maintain an even high low or medium heat at the same outside temps.
sorry to ramble here, hope it helps you tho-LOL
Look in craigs list, i scores a complete, unused, spare coal kit for my Vig and resolute stoves this summer, for spares, 50 and 100 bucks each kit. i couldn't pass that up
best part, is they were within 20 miles from my house!, 2 different sellers.