FCC to formalize "Net Neutrality" Rules

Re: FCC to formalize "Net Neutrality" Rules

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:47 pm

Black_And_Blue wrote:Bwaaa haaaa haaaa :


When you try to access this site at dial up speeds you won't be laughing then. That may be a slight exaggeration but without enforcement of neutral content delivery that's the gist of what will happen.

Let's out this into a different context of electricity, how would you like it if the power company were able to throttle the electric to your Alaska stoker but they will offer you unlimited electricity if you buy there $20K stoker?
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Re: FCC to formalize "Net Neutrality" Rules

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Tue Apr 06, 2010 11:10 pm

I'd buy a generator and/or find another source to power my own house.

Competition would solve the problem.

ETA : We all may be doing just that soon when cap and tax is passed.
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Re: FCC to formalize "Net Neutrality" Rules

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Apr 06, 2010 11:52 pm

Black_And_Blue wrote:I'd buy a generator and/or find another source to power my own house.

Competition would solve the problem.


There's no generators available or other sources available in most areas which is the problem. If I had a choice of 4 or 5 providers then I could care less what they did, The fact is many cable companies hold monopolies in many or most areas of this country.
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Re: FCC to formalize "Net Neutrality" Rules

PostBy: brckwlt On: Wed Apr 07, 2010 12:00 am

Richard S. wrote:The fact is many cable companies hold monopolies in many or most areas of this country.


so true, i have one cable company to choose from, if i dont like them i have to use dish or direct tv and those satellite providers dont even offer my local channels in HD and it is 2010 for gods sake
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Re: FCC to formalize "Net Neutrality" Rules

PostBy: pvolcko On: Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:07 am

In so far as there was no legislative authority granted and there was no governing constitutional basis for this kind of regulation absent legislation, it is unconstitutional, but really that creates the false impression that "net neutrality' is itself unconstitutional. That is not what the ruling said, it only said the congress and President need to pass a law that grants the FCC permission to implement this kind of regulation.

So if you want this, contact your congresscritters, the Senate and House leadership, subcommittee leadership, and the President and tell them to get on the stick. They don't get to sidestep this politically by letting the FCC do this without their legislative go ahead.
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Re: FCC to formalize "Net Neutrality" Rules

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Sun Apr 11, 2010 12:52 pm

I'll just leave this here :

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/04/u ... ection-law

Late Thursday night the U.K. Parliament passed the controversial Digital Economy Bill, which grants the U.K. government sweeping new powers to control access to the Internet.
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Re: FCC to formalize "Net Neutrality" Rules

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Apr 11, 2010 1:27 pm

Black_And_Blue wrote:I'll just leave this here :

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/04/u ... ection-law

Late Thursday night the U.K. Parliament passed the controversial Digital Economy Bill, which grants the U.K. government sweeping new powers to control access to the Internet.


That article appears to be about the UK and censorship of copyrighted sites, I'll have to point out the contradiction of using this as argument against net neutrality because the flash point of this was Comcast disconnecting people from p2p networks which is the single biggest source of copyrighted materiel. In other words Comcast was censoring content. There reason for doing was because the people using p2p are clogging up the networks with a lot of activity to the detriment of other users. I'm sure pressure from the media companies played a role too.

You do realize that "Net Neutrality" is basically how traffic across networks is handled now? The basic premise of Net Neutrality is that the ISP is not going to give preference to traffic. For example if you use a service on Comcasts site it's not given priority over this one . The reason the ISP's want to break this long standing policy is so they monopolize the bandwidth for their own services or their "partners". They also have legitimate concerns about being able to control the usage of their networks so it isn't abused by a few people driving up the costs for others.

It's a complicated subject with very valid points from both sides, trying to box this into "it's government censorship" or a "Government takeover" is far from what many of the issues are. As I said before if the Government tries to cram any type of censorship under the guise of Net Neutrality or anything that resembles the fairness doctrine then they need to be called out on it. At this point it's about maintaining the status quo where all content providers like myself are given equal access to the customers of the ISP's which is the exact opposite of censorship.

I'm guessing you'll be happy when you have top rent the "Supra Deluxe Modem" for $10 a month to gain access to regular sites? That's the road we'll head down if the ISP's are allowed to break this long standing policy.
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Re: FCC to formalize "Net Neutrality" Rules

PostBy: tvb On: Mon Apr 12, 2010 11:46 am

Here's another way to look at it, BnB ...

Say you like to download movies from Netflix and they have a special price just for you. Comcast, your internet provider, thinks you should only rent movies from them so they block access to netflix downloads or throttle the connection to them so it's impossible to watch. And comcast doesn't want to give you a special price for their movies - they are going to charge $8 each rather than the $4 netflix charges. And if comcast thinks you watch too much youtube, they can simply block your IP from it. That wouldn't be much fun, would it.
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Re: FCC to formalize "Net Neutrality" Rules

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Mon Apr 12, 2010 4:56 pm

My paradigm involves less government.

Enjoy your enigma.
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Re: FCC to formalize "Net Neutrality" Rules

PostBy: dll On: Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:54 pm

There is an interesting article in the WSJ about net neutrality, it's behind a pay wall but here is a summation from the review page.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1 ... 2893007720

'Net Neutrality' Goes 0 for 95
As a reminder of unpredictability in politics, consider what happened when the Progressive Change Campaign Committee last month announced that 95 candidates for Congress had signed a pledge to support "net neutrality." The candidates promised: "In Congress, I'll fight to protect Net Neutrality for the entire Internet—wired and wireless—and make sure big corporations aren't allowed to take control of free speech online."

Last week all 95 candidates lost. Opponents of net neutrality chortled, and the advocacy group retreated to the argument that regulation of the Internet wasn't a big issue in the election.
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Re: FCC to formalize "Net Neutrality" Rules

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:18 pm

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Re: FCC to formalize "Net Neutrality" Rules

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:54 pm

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1 ... 2110086694

The campaign to regulate the Internet was funded by a who's who of left-liberal foundations.
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Re: FCC to formalize "Net Neutrality" Rules

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:47 pm

Black_And_Blue wrote:http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703886904576031512110086694.html

The campaign to regulate the Internet was funded by a who's who of left-liberal foundations.


My understanding is the ISP's aren't exactly angry over this, most of these rules simply maintain the status quo. They apprently got a few things they want like the ability to offer tiered plans which is essential for them to maintain profitability under the net neutrality principal.


The only thing I've come across that I don't like is this:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1 ... z18saiXATY

They also would let broadband providers for the first time charge more to companies that want faster service for delivery of games, videos or other services.



The issue here is the little guy getting squeezed out.
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