Future of health care.

Future of health care.

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:06 pm

Travis Wagner works with a lathe at the new Ivy Tech Orthopedic and Advanced Manufacturing Training Center in Warsaw, Ind. Wagner, who lost his job with the RV maker Monaco Coach, in April 2008, said he's "less and less" confident that he'll be able to find work when he graduates next May.


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As a machinist, I'd like to ask "WHY" they trained this guy to run a lathe. It's not like manufacturing hasn't been gutted in this country.

My answer comes later:

“It’s really a morass,” said Joe DiLaura, a former spokesman for the Indiana Department of Workforce Development now with the Friedman Foundation for Educational Choice in Indianapolis. “It’s not anything Indiana officials are doing. It’s the way the federal business is set up. Congress pours a boatload of money into a convoluted system of regional work force boards, which means a lot of staff and a lot of overhead. It’s well meaning, but I don’t know that it’s really getting the job done.”


That's your efficiently run government program folks! :roll:

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Re: Future of health care.

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:29 pm

Ain't it the truth!
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Re: Future of health care.

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:23 pm

Preachin' to the choir.

Keep preaching brother.
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Re: Future of health care.

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:29 am

Back in the 80s thousands of people including my self lost their steelmill & related jobs. At that time I was offered retraining, as a welder, electrician, plumber & so on. Think about it the mills were full of trades people, my trade was as a rigger, I could have taken classes to become an iron-worker, same darn thing but the social worker was clueless. I was going to say that at least now you can get training in the health field but I think thats getting crowded. Without production we need no people. Gov. hasn`t figured that out yet. At least now(from what I was told) you can still get unemployment, in the 80s if you went to school you were deemed unavailable for work at a job that didn`t exist so you couldn`d collect.
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Re: Future of health care.

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:07 am

Where's tvb and the rest of the Obamabots to tell me how off base I am and how Obamacare will be COMPLETELY different?
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Re: Future of health care.

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:10 pm

Did you happen to notice that he lost his job in april 2008? Then again its B.O.s fault anyway, everything is.
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Re: Future of health care.

PostBy: djackman On: Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:58 pm

Congress pours a boatload of money into a convoluted system of regional work force boards, which means a lot of staff and a lot of overhead. It’s well meaning, but I don’t know that it’s really getting the job done.”


And if they did it from a federal level to save $ and add efficiency everyone would be groaning about them trying to turn machinists into socialists.

Manual machines do have their place- one-off custom work, prototyping, etc. It's a rare skill.
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Re: Future of health care.

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:47 pm

samhill wrote:Did you happen to notice that he lost his job in april 2008? Then again its B.O.s fault anyway, everything is.


Did you happen to notice I didn't "blame" BHO?

A little touchy aren't we?

This was more an indictment of Federal bureaucracy as it relates to the possible running of health care.

Maybe if you weren't practicing diversionary tactics in defense of your messiah, you might have understood that.
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Re: Future of health care.

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:11 pm

I`m not trying to defend anyone, I just don`t see any comparison here, it seems that you find fault with just about everything but offer no answers to the problems if indeed there are problems.
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Re: Future of health care.

PostBy: rberq On: Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:24 pm

I'll agree that federal programs often include a lot of waste, though I don't think Medicare is one of them.

As to the FUTURE of health care, let me tell you about the PRESENT of health care. I work for a company with pretty good insurance. A co-worker has been out for a month due to cancer surgery. He had a sarcoma on his upper arm that affected three muscles. Treatment involved radiation to shrink the tumor, then careful surgery to detach it from the bone and remove it while being careful not to damage a major nerve which would leave the arm useless. I just saw him again yesterday, and he was doing well, lifting with both arms and installing his computer so he could come back to work.

So, the total bill was $80,000. He's expected to pay $10,000 out of pocket. Why? Because the insurance company says it would have been cheaper to amputate the arm, or to chop away the muscles and nerves with no regard to leaving the arm useful. The extra cost for doing it right was NOT MEDICALLY NECESSARY, since a simple amputation at the shoulder would have saved his life just as well.

Most likely, that's the kind of insurance YOU have, too. You have just been fortunate enough so far not to find it out. Getting the federal government involved in insurance does not scare me nearly as much as finding out how wonderful my present insurance really is.
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Re: Future of health care.

PostBy: mr1precision On: Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:09 pm

Being a machinist, owner of a machine shop and an advisory board member for our local trade school's machine shop. I feel I have to put my two cents in. One of the biggest problems in this country is the fact that we dont make much here anymore. It's almost impossible to compete against countries like China. We actually have to play by the rules here and countries like China do whatever suits them. We can't employ children, we can paint with lead based paint, the government even makes us properly dispose of our chemicals. We cant just dump them in a river. Thank god for this! However, until we can level the playing field at least a little bit, manufacturing will continue to be sluggish. Tariffs anyone?

It Makes me sick to see acres and acres of empty shipping containers going back to China and other countries abroad. If they arent empty they are loaded with scrap metal or used machinery that was sold for next to nothing. If the government CAN level the playing field, manufacturing and enginuity will be the best vehicle to bring us back from this sh Shitty ty economy.

Personally I dont think there are enough GOOD machinists in our area. I dont know any machinists that are out of work right now. Some have had reduced hours now and then but thats about it.
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Re: Future of health care.

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:40 am

If you don't know any machinists out of work, come down to RI and swing a dead cat. You are sure to hit one.
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Re: Future of health care.

PostBy: mr1precision On: Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:18 am

jpete wrote:If you don't know any machinists out of work, come down to RI and swing a dead cat. You are sure to hit one.


Are you talking operators or full fledged machinists?
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Re: Future of health care.

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:57 pm

Machinists.

I used to work at a shop building wire forming four slide machines from raw casting to finished machine. That place is essentially out of business. The owner runs a couple minor jobs himself and lives on building hot rods and restoring cars.

The guy who owns the sandwich shop I go on Fridays used to own a shop that built conveyor systems for the electronics industry. All custom work.

In both cases, the work went to China.

Operators have an easier time. Most places would rather pay a mechanical engineer to write a program and then give an operator $10/hr to load stock and push a button.
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Re: Future of health care.

PostBy: franco b On: Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:52 pm

In my experience machinists have always been grossly underpaid. One of my customers back in the 1960s asked for a 10 cent per hour raise. He was a first class man and they told him he had delusions of grandeur. He quit and took a job with the sanitation dept. in NYC and started as a machinist mechanic at 25 cents per hour more than his old job.

Richard
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