Democrat Lawmaker Likens Health Care Crisis to a 'Holocaust'

Democrat Lawmaker Likens Health Care Crisis to a 'Holocaust'

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:16 pm

"I call upon all of us to do our jobs for the sake of America, for the sake of those dying people and their families," Florida Rep. Alan Grayson said on the House floor. "I apologize to the dead and their families that we haven't voted sooner to end this holocaust in America."


Does anyone else think this is a little extreme?

"This is an individual who has established a pathological pattern of unstable behavior," said Ken Spain, spokesman for the National Republican Congressional Committee.



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/30/democratic-lawmaker-republicans-want-americans-die-quickly/
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Re: Democrat Lawmaker Likens Health Care Crisis to a 'Holocaust'

PostBy: tvb On: Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:57 pm

45000 dead Americans every year due to not having health insurance is extreme. http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/09/18/de ... index.html

And as far as the quote from the Faux Outrage channel ... they should probably look a bit inward at their own party members before calling anyone pathological, particularly with some of the behavior we've seen this week and last coming out of the finance committee hearings and past behaviors of some elected republican officials. Diapers anyone?
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Re: Democrat Lawmaker Likens Health Care Crisis to a 'Holocaust'

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:10 pm

And as far as the quote from the Faux Outrage channel


I believe the quote was from a remark made by a spokesman for the National Republican Congressional Committee, not from the "Faux Outrage Channel". It was reported on the Fox News website.

As far as the uninsured goes: I agree that those with legitimate disabilities should have access to a government-funded healthcare system, the problem I see here is there are plenty of people here who are perfectly able to work at a job that offers healthcare benefits but chose not to because they don't want to work when they can get all these wonderful benefits from our government. Who pays for it--that's right--you and me.
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Re: Democrat Lawmaker Likens Health Care Crisis to a 'Holocaust'

PostBy: beemerboy On: Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:00 pm

What Florida Rep. Alan Grayson said is not really any different from what the Republican Reps. and Sens. have accused the Democrats from the floors of Congress.

Rep. Foxx accused the Dem plan of putting seniors to death on the house floor. Is that any different from what Rep.Grayson said?
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Re: Democrat Lawmaker Likens Health Care Crisis to a 'Holocaust'

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:43 pm

Wood&Coal, just wondering where all these jobs with benifits are? I agree that there are a lot of leeches living off of the tax payer no doubt but no politician will touch that problem. As for the bulk of people I think they would be more than happy to find a job with benifits or without if it paid well enough to keep the wolf from the door.
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Re: Democrat Lawmaker Likens Health Care Crisis to a 'Holocaust'

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:54 pm

Granted not all jobs offer benefits.

Home Depot offers benefits:

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So does Lowe's:

https://careers.lowes.com/benefits.aspx

The issue here is that some people don't want to take a job because "I don't want to do that", or it's "beneath me". Trust me, I've seen these type of people. I would take a job working at the HD or Lowe's for less $$$ then I would like to be making-but with benefits-then take a handout from the government. It's about pride and doing the right thing.
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Re: Democrat Lawmaker Likens Health Care Crisis to a 'Holocaust'

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:24 pm

Back in the 80s when the rust belt was created I was working any kind of job I could get just to keep thimgs going, even worked for a few of those temp. services. They were really taking advantage of people & the situation back then I`m sure they will be doing the same again. I`m just tired of the people that have been on welfare for generations, theres nothing in the constitution that says you have a right to live off the Gov. forever there should be time limits for that also.
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Re: Democrat Lawmaker Likens Health Care Crisis to a 'Holocaust'

PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:47 pm

In this state, we have thousands from every possible background who have made a career out of leaching off the state. I have known this just from hearsay over the years, but now I have a good friend who's close relative has made this their career. He tells me if I have any questions on how to milk the system, to ask this person. The person is currently driving a '09 model high-end vehicle & has several cell phones, along with housing, food, health care, & cable TV all paid for by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.

All of this made possible by liberal Democrat career politicians ....... ON YOUR DIME, & MINE!!!

EDIT: Almost forgot to add......... whenever these people need a raise ................. THEY HAVE MORE KIDS!!! (I want to laugh, but I can't!!!!!!!!!)
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Re: Democrat Lawmaker Likens Health Care Crisis to a 'Holocaust'

PostBy: tvb On: Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:27 pm

Smitty, Leeches and cheats are everywhere and come in every color and of every political persuasion. Is the welfare cheat really any different from the crooked stock broker? Is the person looking for health insurance for their child any worse than the health insurance executive who runs a company that denies treatment to sick people in order to boost the bottom line and earn a bigger bonus?

Deregulation of many industries under republican rule has exposed many thieves and liars.

He tells me if I have any questions on how to milk the system, to ask this person. The person is currently driving a '09 model high-end vehicle & has several cell phones, along with housing, food, health care, & cable TV all paid for by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.


If this is true, you have an ethical responsibility to turn them in, just like with any other crime you may witness. Would you ignore a bank robbery by keeping silent to the authorities? Why would you ignore this thievery?
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Re: Democrat Lawmaker Likens Health Care Crisis to a 'Holocaust'

PostBy: SMITTY On: Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:00 am

If I gave a crap about this state, I'd think about it.

The difference between the stockbroker & this person, like I have to really point this out, is that the stockbroker WORKS FOR A LIVING. :shock:

I'm directly affected by corruption of Democrats more that corruption of stockbrokers ..... & I think the former is FAAAR more prevalent.
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Re: Democrat Lawmaker Likens Health Care Crisis to a 'Holocaust'

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Oct 03, 2009 4:21 pm

tvb wrote:
He tells me if I have any questions on how to milk the system, to ask this person. The person is currently driving a '09 model high-end vehicle & has several cell phones, along with housing, food, health care, & cable TV all paid for by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.


If this is true, you have an ethical responsibility to turn them in, just like with any other crime you may witness. Would you ignore a bank robbery by keeping silent to the authorities? Why would you ignore this thievery?


Because most of those things are given out by law in Massachusetts!

And if this person was anything but lily white, no Democrat is going to bother to investigate.

If people not having insurance is a "holocaust", then what do we do about the automobile? Outlaw them? Government provided Volvos?

Car Crash Stats: There were nearly 6,420,000 auto accidents in the United States in 2005. The financial cost of these crashes is more than 230 Billion dollars. 2.9 million people were injured and 42,636 people killed. About 115 people die every day in vehicle crashes in the United States -- one death every 13 minutes.
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