your hero Rush

Re: your hero Rush

PostBy: stockingfull On: Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:59 am

Dann757 wrote:Look how we all fight amongst ourselves. We take a side and fight for it by typing on our comfortable keyboards in our comfortable homes. I want to try to rise above it, but it aint easy. Left wing statements make me shift from right of center to really right wing. Maybe it's population control instigated by the mass media. Set us against ourselves.

I like the right wing guys, my left wing friends won't listen to or agree with them. I like O'Reilly, Beck, Rush.

Hear, hear! Only I'm on the other side; I watch Stewart, Colbert, and Rachel and can't believe how people with more than a 3rd grade education could buy the crap that Beck, Rush and O'Reilly are peddling.

But the bigger point is the indisputable fact that discord is the mother's milk of the modern media, whether broadcast, print or even blogs like this. If there's no fight, there's no news. We're losing our manners at a breathtaking rate, in part because the most unmannerly people are making the news. I went to a couple of the health-care forums -- on both sides -- this summer and what most struck me was that, if everybody but one lunatic behaved themselves for an hour and a half, the media would run to interview the screamer when it was over. Why? Because, in this information-saturation age, we cannot stay awake for civil exchanges; it takes a "siren" to get our attention. Sad.

Look, how did Vince McMahon build the WWF or WWE or WW-whatever-it-is? By taking a fairly boring sport (anybody remember "Fabiani's Mat Time" in Philly in the '60's? Snore.) and loading it with villains, super-villains, freaks and white-hats, all talking trash at 90 dB. How were/are our GI's trained to kill other human beings they don't know, people with families just like them, when our law forbids us to harm somebody who directly insults you? By depersonalizing them. Japs, Krauts, Russkies, Kikes, *censored*; it's so much easier to hate people you don't know when you can put a negative label on them. These are some of the less-fortunate remnants of our tribal past.

Libs? Wingnuts? Dittoheads? Too much of the media feeds this BS every day -- because they have to, or we won't tune in. And what seems to have been completely lost is the purpose for having such discussions: narrowing areas of disagreement. These days, whether in gov't or the media, people just make their arguments and call the other side names; nobody's interested in modifying or moderating their views in the least.

For me, while I'm glad to see that political discussion didn't cease here with Devil's exile and my summer break, I don't plan to engage in it here this season. My reasons are above.
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Re: your hero Rush

PostBy: pvolcko On: Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:08 am

okay... lots of polemics, but still no explanation... Those of you who believe that Rush is "faking" his belief in conservatism and right-of-center public policy and political philosophy, why do you believe this? Saying he's an entertainer isn't an explanation or a reason, one can be both committed to a philosophy of governance and policy and still be an entertainer, just as so many entertainers espouse a left of center political viewpoint. Do we doubt for a moment that Janeane Garofalo or Oliver Stone or Ed Shultz or John Stewart are committed liberals just because they are entertainers using their gifts to help advance their beliefs?

I don't believe everything he says anymore than I believe everything anyone else says, but through the facts, truths, opinions, mistaken facts, bombastics, satire, and human failings I don't see how one can come away thinking he isn't a sincere conservative.
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Re: your hero Rush

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:11 am

I had my fill of Rush, I had to listen to it everyday for for 10 years when my Uncle owned the coal business. When he retired I ripped the AM button off the radio. :lol:

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Just to add he's certified Democrat yet he listened to that show without fail everyday. I'd imagine there's lots of Democrats tuning in, it's no wonder his ratings are through the roof.
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Re: your hero Rush

PostBy: stockingfull On: Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:17 am

pvolcko wrote:okay... lots of polemics, but still no explanation... Those of you who believe that Rush is "faking" his belief in conservatism and right-of-center public policy and political philosophy, why do you believe this? Saying he's an entertainer isn't an explanation or a reason, one can be both committed to a philosophy of governance and policy and still be an entertainer, just as so many entertainers espouse a left of center political viewpoint. Do we doubt for a moment that Janeane Garofalo or Oliver Stone or Ed Shultz or John Stewart are committed liberals just because they are entertainers using their gifts to help advance their beliefs?

I don't believe everything he says anymore than I believe everything anyone else says, but through the facts, truths, opinions, mistaken facts, bombastics, satire, and human failings I don't see how one can come away thinking he isn't a sincere conservative.

Okay, Paul, no sooner do I state my resolution than I break it.

I agree with you; Rush is deadly serious. To me, the reasons for the facade are simple. He says he's an "entertainer," "clown" or what-have-you so he doesn't have to answer for the "facts" he uses. And so he won't be legally responsible for the slanderous things he says.

Put simply, "entertainers" don't have to be any more correct than writers of fiction. And that's the operative term for Rush.
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Re: your hero Rush

PostBy: tvb On: Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:20 am

Richard S. wrote:I had my fill of Rush, I had to listen to it everyday for for 10 years when my Uncle owned the coal business. When he retired I ripped the AM button off the radio. :lol:

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Just to add he's certified Democrat yet he listened to that show without fail everyday. I'd imagine there's lots of Democrats tuning in, it's no wonder his ratings are through the roof.


My dad, who may be the one registered democrat in Venice, FL, listens to all that right wing garbage - O'Lielly, Beck, Rush. I can't figure it out as he is a true blue Democrat. It probably reinforces it for him.
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Re: your hero Rush

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:29 am

"Everyone is in favor of free speech. Hardly a day passes without its being extolled, but some people's idea of it is that they are free to say what they like, but if anyone else says anything back, that is an outrage.""

— Winston S. Churchill
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