Coal Sales & Delivery Idea

Coal Sales & Delivery Idea

PostBy: Yanche On: Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:04 am

Coalman, I've got an idea for expanding your coal sales. Sell coal in used 20 ft shipping containers. You fill the containers with coal and have them shipped. Sort of the PODS idea only for coal. See: http://www.pods.com/ Take a look at:
http://www.shippingcontainers.com/
They sell used containers and will customize them as needed. It's a business model that might work. Small size containers directly to homeowners, larger containers with bulk coal to retailers like hardware stores and stove stores. Transport done by the general trucking industry. Has anything like this been tried before?

To the coal users ... Would you buy something like this? Several years worth of coal delivered to you on a roll back truck. The container would be your coalbin. :-) Maybe you lease the container. Maybe you buy it and turn it into a shed when it's empty. Other ideas?

Yanche

Yanche
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PostBy: WhereisWareMA? On: Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:36 am

Where do I sign up for my Coal Pod delivery? What a neat idea. :idea: Could possibly save a ton of money for those of us that have to buy in bags. Not alot of options here in Massachusetts.
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PostBy: bksaun On: Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:38 am

That might be worth a try, I would be interested at looking into that myself. buy it in the off season and possibly save a bundle. If shipping does not eat you up.

BK
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PostBy: mjwood0 On: Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:46 am

This would be great especially if the containers were customized to have a chute on them. Put some form of jack stand type thing on the other end and then periodically jack up the other end. Coal would flow downhill to the chute. Okay. Perhaps that's a little too complicated, but still! Great idea for those outside of coal country. Get 3 years worth of coal delivered.

So long as the shipping / container costs weren't too high...

Could also do something like propane for grills. Buy one container and when it's empty, they trade it out for a full one.
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PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:03 pm

mjwood0 wrote:So long as the shipping / container costs weren't too high...


That's the big problem, fitrst and foremost a container like that wouldn't be cost effective for coal. You're looking at thousands for a 10 ton container... Steel alone would probably run $2000 plus but that's off the top of my head, I haven't bought steel in a while.
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PostBy: Matthaus On: Wed Dec 20, 2006 1:58 am

NEPAForum Admin wrote:
mjwood0 wrote:So long as the shipping / container costs weren't too high...


You're looking at thousands for a 10 ton container... Steel alone would probably run $2000 plus but that's off the top of my head, I haven't bought steel in a while.


Actually Conex boxes are pretty cheap considering the price of steel:

http://www.sitestorageinc.com/Containers_Trailers/Shipping_Container.html
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.

$800 for a 20' used Conex (of course these are in Alabama!)

I love the idea, of course would have to do some mods for loading in the coal easily unless you had a way to stand them on end for loading and then close the doors and rotate to horizontal.

Now I just have to figure out a place to put one in my yard! :lol:
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PostBy: davemich On: Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:55 am

That sure beats Greg (LS Farm) and my discussion of a coal car full of coal for us here in Michigan!!!



Matthaus wrote:
NEPAForum Admin wrote:
mjwood0 wrote:So long as the shipping / container costs weren't too high...


You're looking at thousands for a 10 ton container... Steel alone would probably run $2000 plus but that's off the top of my head, I haven't bought steel in a while.


Actually Conex boxes are pretty cheap considering the price of steel:

http://www.sitestorageinc.com/Containers_Trailers/Shipping_Container.html
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.

$800 for a 20' used Conex (of course these are in Alabama!)

I love the idea, of course would have to do some mods for loading in the coal easily unless you had a way to stand them on end for loading and then close the doors and rotate to horizontal.

Now I just have to figure out a place to put one in my yard! :lol:
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PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:28 am

Matthaus wrote:$800 for a 20' used Conex (of course these are in Alabama!)


Yes but the "like new" ones are $3750, considering the price difference and the high priced one isn't even new the condition of the $800 one is probably quite bad. Who would want some ratty old container in their yard for a few years, plus a lot of people wiouldn't have a place to store something like that anyway.

Doesn't give the dimesions but assuming it's 20x6x5 that's about 15 tons.

Let's assume $250 a ton delivered considering this would be primarily be a service for people well away from the source. You also have the container and all costs associated with it, we'll assume $1200 by the time everthing is said and done for the container.

That's nearly 5K, assuming you can sell the container after 2 or 3 years your down to $4200 give ot take a few hundred.

I know there are some people that would be willing to lay out that amount of cash but there's not a whole lot people that would be able to afford it.
Richard S.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Van Wert VA1200
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PostBy: Cap On: Wed Dec 20, 2006 7:23 am

Little off topic here but I find it interesting.

The steel shipping containers you see unloading from US ports which are the size of a small box trailer ( maybe 30' long ) are made in China along with all of the imported products. The containers are left behind here in the US. It's cheaper to build new units in China rather than load and ship them EMPTY back to China. So they sell them off for storage.

That's a SHAME!
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idea...

PostBy: keyman512us On: Sun Feb 11, 2007 8:55 am

Very Interesting idea gentlemen!
...You all have brought up some good points! I had thought of something similar to this but in order for this two work you would need two things: Interest and commitment. A Co-op would be the best way of making it happen. First thing would be a source selection point for coal supply. Our host would be a good reference. Could you load coal at your "yard" via conveyor belt?
Coal could be loaded into a slightly modified box, the box being mounted on a tractor trailer converter dolly, trucked from there to a RAIL Intermodal loading facility (box is then lifted off converter dolly to be placed on a rail car, usually an 89' flatcar, but possibly a well or spline).
...Toughest part of this, is there an Intermodal yard close by? Is there a rail siding close by (maybe eliminate the first trucking portion?)

Say for example "SOURCE Spot in PA to Providence RI, Worcester MA, Or Gardner MA"...as a test market."

Just trying to provide an "inside" look at logistics. Intermodal costs are rather reasonable...if trucking costs are minimized. Ratio: %95 rail travel-5% truck Cost-40% rail, Trucking 60%.

As far as the boxes? Standard shipping containers are manufactured to ISO standards and would not need much modification to haul coal. Standard sizes are based on TEU's (twenty foot equivalency units-An American Invented this concept). Standard sizes are20,40,45,and now 53'. The twenty foot containers are the most prevalent, easiest to find and the cheapest! Although it has been a few years, I hooked a friend of mine up with a dealer I heard of that was selling them for $650 each delivered within 35 miles of Worcester. He called me the day it was dropped off to thank me, the driver/owner was a "wheeler/dealer". He had two of them on his truck. They got to talking, he got the second box for $300.00 cash!
...A standard 20' box weighs in between 48-5200 lbs...and are often moved by "auto wrecker" style ramp trucks. Capacity can be as high as 48,000 lbs but is rarely used that heavy.

If you boys up in Michigan have toyed with the idea of an entire rail car worth of coal (90 tons)...you might want to look into this mode more...because unfortunately in modern day America one coal car to a railroad isn't worth the time of day. One kelly box in a point to point intermodal movement would at least get quoted.

Here is a picture of Intermodal at it's best (53's riding in wells). I don't know if you have ever seen one of these trains, they are referred to as "stacks" and are kinda scary rolling by at speed. This is the future of rail freight in America:

http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?20061 ... l&BOOL=ANY

P.S. The "white" ones are 53's The red-40' on top, two 20's on the bottom.
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idea...

PostBy: keyman512us On: Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:48 am

They already make one(designed for 'bulk' material...And they call it a coffee can to boot!

The picture on the bottom left is hilarious!


http://www.solentwaters.co.uk/Loading%20Cargo/Loading%20Cargo%201/page7.html
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.
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PostBy: SMITTY On: Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:51 pm

That would be a great driving gig for me! Sign me up! :toothy7:

Could also use a 30-yard dumpster, or a dump truck, & just dump the coal where the customer wants it. Saves the cost of buying multiple containers.

Just let me know....I'll quit tomorrow! :lol: :lol:
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