Enviromental Politcs and your fishing rights.

Enviromental Politcs and your fishing rights.

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:20 am


http://fish.shimano.com/publish/content/global_fish/en/us/index/articles/feds_to_60_million.html
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IRVINE, Calif. USA – October 5, 2009 – A recently published administration document outlines a structure that could result in closures of sport fishing in salt and freshwater areas across America. The White House created an Interagency Oceans Policy Task Force in June and gave them only 90 days to develop a comprehensive federal policy for all U.S. coastal, ocean and Great Lakes waters. Under the guise of ‘protecting’ these areas, the current second phase of the Task Force direction is to develop zoning which may permanently close vast areas of fishing waters nationwide. This is to be completed by December 9, 2009.

Dave Pfeiffer, President of Shimano American Corporation explained, “In spite of extensive submissions from the recreational fishing community to the Task Force in person and in writing, they failed to include any mention of the over one million jobs or the 6o million anglers which may be affected by the new policies coast to coast. Input from the environmental groups who want to put us off the water was adopted into the report verbatim – the key points we submitted as an industry were ignored.”

Read the rest at the link above.

Type the name Cass Sunstein+animal rights in a search engine of you choice and it will add context to this and all future legislation that lacks common sense.

ETA : Something else people need to wake on is the phrase "Environmental Justice". Search it and understand it ASAP.
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Re: Enviromental Politcs and your fishing rights.

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:29 am

B&B, do you know where to get the information about what this policy contains?
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Re: Enviromental Politcs and your fishing rights.

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:49 am

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Re: Enviromental Politcs and your fishing rights.

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:43 pm

I don`t see where this is going to hurt your fishing, if anything it would start to enhance it. If you enjoy fishing a lake or area until theres nothing left to catch then ok it will hurt your fishing. If your a responsible sportsman then management only enhances the sport. The Tom Ridge center in Erie has a excellant movie about what happened to the great lakes decades ago, very interesting & a good show for anyone to watch.
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PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:58 pm

Notice the United Nations policy bent?

Notice the phrase "Social Justice" in the report?

Support for embracing science-based decision-making and investing in ecosystem-based science, research, and ocean observations, including comprehensive research on the linkages among ecosystem health, human health, economic opportunity, national and homeland security, social justice, and environmental change, including climate change


Do you understand the meaning of Social Justice and what groups are behind it?

Notice the continued absurd notion of climate change is being perpetuated and codified.
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PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:08 pm

This is what we are afraid of...

http://www.peta.org/sea_kittens/
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Re: Enviromental Politcs and your fishing rights.

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:37 pm

I guess you read it the way you want & I`ll have my opinion. I don`t like sea kittens anyway.
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PostBy: tsb On: Sun Oct 11, 2009 6:05 pm

Thats why they refer to Lawyers and Politicians as Sharks. No body
gives a dukkie about Sharks.
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Re: Enviromental Politcs and your fishing rights.

PostBy: tvb On: Sun Oct 11, 2009 6:11 pm

science-based decision-making and investing in ecosystem-based science


Wow - the word science is back in use under the current admin. Therefore, it must be a bad thing being that's it's actual science and all :lol:
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PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:15 pm

samhill wrote:I don`t see where this is going to hurt your fishing, if anything it would start to enhance it. If you enjoy fishing a lake or area until theres nothing left to catch then ok it will hurt your fishing.


The states already enforce their own laws. Who's the best people to decide how many clams you can take in a day fromm the Chesapeake. A wildlife agency with people who work in and around it all day or some guy in Washington? They do the same thing here in PA with quotas and limits on certain species of fish even to the extent of changing it in certain streams and other fishing areas.

Not sure if you're following coalcast but it's the same thing Mike has touched on where the feds are using blanket rules that don't apply to everywhere. He mentioned in the last show the explosives manufactures have had to weigh in on it because the rules pose danger. What works in California may not work here.

Having said all that it's just the continued agenda of the far out environmentalist movement.
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Re: Enviromental Politcs and your fishing rights.

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:18 pm

tvb wrote:
science-based decision-making and investing in ecosystem-based science


Wow - the word science is back in use under the current admin. Therefore, it must be a bad thing being that's it's actual science and all :lol:



Sorry but that's code words for "science" manipulated to fit their own needs. If you think politics does not play a major part in "science" you're being quite naive.
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Re: Enviromental Politcs and your fishing rights.

PostBy: tvb On: Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:37 pm

Richard S. wrote:
tvb wrote:
science-based decision-making and investing in ecosystem-based science


Wow - the word science is back in use under the current admin. Therefore, it must be a bad thing being that's it's actual science and all :lol:



Sorry but that's code words for "science" manipulated to fit their own needs. If you think politics does not play a major part in "science" you're being quite naive.


I don't think so, Richard.

The previous administration was very much against "science" and it set us back many years when it comes to protecting the environment for your grandchildren. The science of knowing what is in the run-off of fertilizers and other crap dumped into the water you drink and fish from is not political, nor is the science of dumping garbage from cruise ships political (unless you are the dumper :x ). It keeps you and your children from growing horns - something the previous administration didn't give a *censored* about because it was "bad" for business. You can fight things like anti-pollution measures and deny climate change, but the data that "science" and research puts forth will ultimately overcome the voodoo of just letting things happen as they may.
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Re: Enviromental Politcs and your fishing rights.

PostBy: tvb On: Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:46 pm

P.S. I sail, and I deep sea fish.

And I think the folks at the gear companies should take a moment to actually read the legislation they are bitching about before posting stuff like Shimano did.

So many people complain the elected folks in DC don't read the bills - what about the people lobbying and asking their fans to lobby? Shouldn't they read the legislation too?

Shouldn't you read it before posting some mindless drivel against it just because you saw it on someplace like glennImanassole.beck.com or michelleiamamoronmalkin.com
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Re: Enviromental Politcs and your fishing rights.

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:58 pm

Such as the science behind Acid Rain? That's usually big topic about water quality. Perhaps you'd like to comment here on the story about Ed Krug and the Clean Air Act ironically passed under the evil Republican leadership of GHB. :roll:

Fossil Fuel Survialist Guide for the Sane: Part 1 Common BS

You want some more unbiased science? How about the data sets that have destroyed and they wouldn't share that much of the Climate Change studies are based on?

AGW Data sets Mysteriously Disappear

...Now begins the fun. Warwick Hughes, an Australian scientist, wondered where that “+/–” came from, so he politely wrote Phil Jones in early 2005, asking for the original data. Jones’s response to a fellow scientist attempting to replicate his work was, “We have 25 years or so invested in the work. Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it?”


Isn't that what science is about? Trying to find something wrong with it?


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Let me ask you this, after reading the very lengthy article about Ed Krug how many scientists would be willing to follow the same path as him? As I said if don't think politics plays a huge role in "science" particularly where environmental policy is concerned you are being very naive.
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PostBy: SMITTY On: Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:43 am

tvb. wrote:........It keeps you and your children from growing horns - something the previous administration didn't give a *censored* about because it was "bad" for business..............


That's funny...... from the dawn of the industrial revolution until about 1973 there was not one ridiculous environmental regulation on ANYTHING.

You got horns?????? I don't ..... NOBODY DOES. :?

Guess the last 200 years of NOBODY caring about the environment was Bush's fault! :lol: Keep it coming tvb! Your a funny fella! :rofl:

As an asthmatic I can tell you that the left KNOWS NOTHING about science ...... or health for that matter. That's a fact based on lifelong experience.
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