OBAMA won't meet with FOX NEWS without preconditions

Re: OBAMA won't meet with FOX NEWS without preconditions

PostBy: mr1precision On: Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:18 am

Kevin H wrote:
SMITTY wrote:It's easy to tell that none of you left leaners watch Fox. Like the video said, it appears nobody can tell the difference between a straight news broadcast, & an OPINION broadcast. Whenever Fox interviews a lib, they give them equal time, as they do a conservative. How is that the mouthpiece of the Republican party? Straight news during the day, opinion at night.

Facts are facts -- Fox is the most popular news outlet among all political leanings. You don't get that following by lying.


Yes, you get that popular by telling people what they want to hear; Nothing is our fault, it's the gays and the immigrants. Bush made this country safer, and we're doing a noble thing in the Middle East. Government programs are a bad thing, even if they people's lives better. Big business is your friend. Global warming is just a "Theory." Being born American is an accomplishment. The answer to a recession is to cut taxes... Really? And as the Reagan cheerleaders will tell you: DEFICITS DON'T MATTER. Wow. Sure blew the snot out of that argument in the last few years haven't we?

It's the same way the Republicans get millions of Americans to vote against they're own self interests in every election. Being popular does not make it real news. It's Rupert Murdock's bullhorn, nothing less and nothing more.


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Re: OBAMA won't meet with FOX NEWS without preconditions

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:26 am

mr1precision wrote:Welcome back Devil505!


:rofl: :rofl: :clap: I was thinking the same thing!!

Kevin H wrote:Yes, you get that popular by telling people what they want to hear; Nothing is our fault, it's the gays and the immigrants. Bush made this country safer, and we're doing a noble thing in the Middle East. Government programs are a bad thing, even if they people's lives better. Big business is your friend. Global warming is just a "Theory." Being born American is an accomplishment. The answer to a recession is to cut taxes... Really? And as the Reagan cheerleaders will tell you: DEFICITS DON'T MATTER. Wow. Sure blew the snot out of that argument in the last few years haven't we?

Funny, I've never heard Fox say any of those things on a normal newscast. Was that said, maybe, in the OPINION portion? You understand there is a difference, right? The White House missed that one too so don't feel bad.

Everyone has different opinions. If you like handing out your hard earned money to people who entered the country illegally, then so be it. If you want to break bread with terrorists, you have the freedom afforded by our Constitution to do so. If you agree with raising taxes instead of controlling spending of out-of-control career politicians who act in their own self interest, that's wonderful. If you enjoy paying $4.00 for gas due to environmental restrictions on oil companies abilities to drill for a product they are in the business of selling, then great.

But the rest of the country agrees that these things just aren't right.
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Re: OBAMA won't meet with FOX NEWS without preconditions

PostBy: Kevin H On: Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:47 am

SMITTY wrote:
mr1precision wrote:Welcome back Devil505!


:rofl: :rofl: :clap: I was thinking the same thing!!

Kevin H wrote:Yes, you get that popular by telling people what they want to hear; Nothing is our fault, it's the gays and the immigrants. Bush made this country safer, and we're doing a noble thing in the Middle East. Government programs are a bad thing, even if they people's lives better. Big business is your friend. Global warming is just a "Theory." Being born American is an accomplishment. The answer to a recession is to cut taxes... Really? And as the Reagan cheerleaders will tell you: DEFICITS DON'T MATTER. Wow. Sure blew the snot out of that argument in the last few years haven't we?

Funny, I've never heard Fox say any of those things on a normal newscast. Was that said, maybe, in the OPINION portion? You understand there is a difference, right? The White House missed that one too so don't feel bad.

Everyone has different opinions. If you like handing out your hard earned money to people who entered the country illegally, then so be it. If you want to break bread with terrorists, you have the freedom afforded by our Constitution to do so. If you agree with raising taxes instead of controlling spending of out-of-control career politicians who act in their own self interest, that's wonderful. If you enjoy paying $4.00 for gas due to environmental restrictions on oil companies abilities to drill for a product they are in the business of selling, then great.

But the rest of the country agrees that these things just aren't right.


omg. Please pick one of those issues you brought up, so I can own you on it. I agree that all those things (except illegal immigrants, I don't see how you figure they get any of my money) are problems we face, but I'm quite confused how you think they're "Democrat" problems.
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Re: OBAMA won't meet with FOX NEWS without preconditions

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:17 pm

OK. Live in MA. Run 100% by libs -- all Democrats. 100's of them, with maybe 6 or 7 Republicans. http://nepacrossroads.com/about12148.html

They take our taxes & RAISE them during a recession because they need to pay for the million social programs this state deems necessary for the "poor". It's common knowledge here that people are shipped here from EVERYWHERE to take advantage of our easy welfare system. I have PERSONALLY WITNESSED a Cadillac Escalade outfitted with $4,000 in chrome wheels & accessories pull up to the office where food stamps are issued in Worcester. I know of several instances of abuse of the system, & it is also common knowledge that abuse is rampant. If you call to report these losers, they claim to investigate, but nothing ever happens.

We have Democrat politicians who have made a career of holding office. When Republican Mitt Romney was governor, the Dems BLATANTLY changed a law that used to allow the governor to appoint a senate seat in the event of a permanent absence. This prevented Mr. Romney from appointing a Republican governor. Then, as soon as King Lib Teddy dies, they fall all over themselves trying to change the law in their favor again!!! AND THEY DID!! Without one vote cast by the general public!!!

THESE are Democrat problems caused by DEMOCRAT MAJORITY. That is fact. Google it.
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Re: OBAMA won't meet with FOX NEWS without preconditions

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:40 pm

Kevin H wrote:Republicans claim ABC, NBC, MSNBC, CBS, CNN, all the newspapers, all of "Academia" (Private schools, ivy league, public schools), yes they're all LIBERAL! It's the LIBERAL MEDIA! And the one right-leaning holdout is "Fair and balanced." Yes the one outlet that bashes the democrats constantly is the fair one, the rest of the country can be lumped into the category of "Liberal media." Do you know how silly that sounds?


You know even the mainstream media won't claim they aren't bias, why would you?

There's so many examples and studies it's laughable to suggest they aren't. The head of MSNBC practically admitted it. When a protester uses a Bush image with a Hitler mustache it's "Look alike" but when it's Obama it becomes "offensive". There's so many examples it's ridiculous. PBS runs a promo about their fair news yet use Jimmy Carter and a bunch of Hollywood stars pitching for it. :roll:

My local paper here is liberal leaning when they didn't run the Acorn story until after the Senate vote and the only reason they ran it was because Casey was one of the few that voted no. When the Democrats passed Cap & Tax in the house at about 7PM the coverage was on page 38 the next morning with a short little article prefixed with "Late breaking News".

Having said all that you don't have to listen my opinion as you can get it right from the horses mouth, page 28.

http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/214.pdf

Journalists at national and local news organizations are notably different from the general
public in their ideology and attitudes toward political and social issues. Most national and local
journalists, as well as a plurality of Americans (41%), describe themselves as political moderates.
But news people – especially national journalists – are more liberal, and far less conservative, than
the general public.

About a third of national journalists (34%) and somewhat fewer local journalists (23%)
describe themselves as liberals; that compares with 19% of the public in a May survey conducted
by the Pew Research Center. Moreover, there is a relatively small number of conservatives at
national and local news organizations. Just 7% of national news people and 12% of local journalists
describe themselves as conservatives, compared with a third of all Americans
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Re: OBAMA won't meet with FOX NEWS without preconditions

PostBy: Kevin H On: Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:42 pm

SMITTY wrote:OK. Live in MA. Run 100% by libs -- all Democrats. 100's of them, with maybe 6 or 7 Republicans. http://nepacrossroads.com/about12148.html

They take our taxes & RAISE them during a recession because they need to pay for the million social programs this state deems necessary for the "poor". It's common knowledge here that people are shipped here from EVERYWHERE to take advantage of our easy welfare system. I have PERSONALLY WITNESSED a Cadillac Escalade outfitted with $4,000 in chrome wheels & accessories pull up to the office where food stamps are issued in Worcester. I know of several instances of abuse of the system, & it is also common knowledge that abuse is rampant. If you call to report these losers, they claim to investigate, but nothing ever happens.

We have Democrat politicians who have made a career of holding office. When Republican Mitt Romney was governor, the Dems BLATANTLY changed a law that used to allow the governor to appoint a senate seat in the event of a permanent absence. This prevented Mr. Romney from appointing a Republican governor. Then, as soon as King Lib Teddy dies, they fall all over themselves trying to change the law in their favor again!!! AND THEY DID!! Without one vote cast by the general public!!!

THESE are Democrat problems caused by DEMOCRAT MAJORITY. That is fact. Google it.


OK, that's really not one of the issues you brought up, but let's delve into it; in fact you make a very good point. You're talking about AMERICAN-BORN CITIZENS who abuse the system, who collect welfare and maybe work under the table? Yes they blow all their money on big cars, rims, flat screen TV's, while living with their mom and not really doing anything to better themselves. I whole-heartedly agree that this is a big problem; We call it "Hood-rich" and we have them everywhere, not just in Mass. Welfare has been around for centuries; in rome they called it bread and circus. Give these poor slobs a hunk of bread so they can eat, and a free ticket to the circus. The rationale is that if they're belly is full and they have something to do, they're not breaking into your house. Abuse was rampant in the late 20th century, we had these welfare queens who would collect welfare under 10 different names and become wealthy. Who did the most in our lifetime to curb this abuse? How bout WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_R ... tunity_Act

This is not a cut and dry issue. It's very complicated in fact, and nobody has a magic bullet to fix it. What should we do with these people, who will not work? Take away their welfare and they're selling drugs and stealing cars to survive. Society breaks down. I personally believe that a big part of the problem is that certain qualifications dissapear when you try to get a job, to the point that people think they're better off on welfare than working at Wal-Mart making $20k a year; I don't disagree with that. Where's the initiative to do better when you do worse in the pursuit?

Again I'm not defending either rationale necessarily, just stating that this is a problem as old as civilization and it's unfair to dump it in the Dem's laps. I don't think politicians are sitting around a table and saying "Damn, how can we give more money to people who won't do anything with their lives?"

The point I often make to republicans who blame everything on immigrants who come here to work; There is abuse on their part too, but that problem is absolutely DWARFED by abuses committed by natural-born citizens.
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Re: OBAMA won't meet with FOX NEWS without preconditions

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:44 pm

If you guys want to start new topic, please do. Get back on the topic of Fox/Media.
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Re: OBAMA won't meet with FOX NEWS without preconditions

PostBy: mr1precision On: Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:57 pm

Was BHO mistreated by Bill O? Am I missing something?

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Re: OBAMA won't meet with FOX NEWS without preconditions

PostBy: Kevin H On: Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:14 pm

mr1precision wrote:Was BHO mistreated by Bill O? Am I missing something?



I happen to like Oreilly most of the time. He's still too far to the right to declare himself "Fair and balanced," but he acknowledges that there's truth in both manifestos. I listen to his radio program on Fox News Talk (Sirius) often. I recall a segment where he beraded the far righties for blaming our current economic situation on Clinton, I believe it went "They say 'Clinton did this!' Clinton did this? Clinton's been out of office for 8 years!" Of course the other commentators on the station and on "Sirius Patriot" (The even farther-right talk station) spent days bashing O'reilly, distancing themselves from him and questioning his intelligence/qualifications/whatever.

O'reilly was fair to Obama in this clip, although you can still feel a tug from O'R trying to make Barack look stupid. I also think Barack handled himself very well, appeared very well informed and unscripted, and thwarted O'R's attempts to take things he has said out of context.
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Re: OBAMA won't meet with FOX NEWS without preconditions

PostBy: mr1precision On: Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:20 pm

Kevin H wrote:O'reilly was fair to Obama in this clip, although you can still feel a tug from O'R trying to make Barack look stupid. I also think Barack handled himself very well, appeared very well informed and unscripted, and thwarted O'R's attempts to take things he has said out of context.


Sorry....I wasnt getting the tug. I felt as though he wimped out and should have asked the tough questions.
Like...

Why do you surround yourself with people that hate this country ?

Why wont you show your birth certificate?

Have you ever run a business, even a Dairy Queen?

What about Acorn???

I thought Bill O' was a push over.

So, this goes back to the main question, why wont he go back for an interview w/o preconditions? Afterall they are the most widely watched news network. I'll tell you why, he's afraid. He's enjoying the free ride he's getting from all the rest of the media plain and simple.
So much for transparency huh?
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Re: OBAMA won't meet with FOX NEWS without preconditions

PostBy: Kevin H On: Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:26 pm

mr1precision wrote:
Kevin H wrote:O'reilly was fair to Obama in this clip, although you can still feel a tug from O'R trying to make Barack look stupid. I also think Barack handled himself very well, appeared very well informed and unscripted, and thwarted O'R's attempts to take things he has said out of context.


Sorry....I wasnt getting the tug. I felt as though he wimped out and should have asked the tough questions.
Like...

Why do you surround yourself with people that hate this country ?

Why wont you show your birth certificate?

Have you ever run a business, even a Dairy Queen?

What about Acorn???

I thought Bill O' was a push over.

So, this goes back to the main question, why wont he go back for an interview w/o preconditions? Afterall they are the most widely watched news network. I'll tell you why, he's afraid. He's enjoying the free ride he's getting from all the rest of the media plain and simple.
So much for transparency huh?

http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg
The birth certificate has been available publicly since June 2008, that's why O'R didn't ask about it. The other questions he didn't ask because they're silly. The mod has asked us to stay on topic, so we'll leave it at that; But that's why he didn't ask those questions, because they're stupid questions and Bill a. Is better than that and b. did not want to subject himself to ridicule.
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Re: OBAMA won't meet with FOX NEWS without preconditions

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:35 pm

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Re: OBAMA won't meet with FOX NEWS without preconditions

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:48 pm

Richard S. wrote:If you guys want to start new topic, please do. Get back on the topic of Fox/Media.
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Re: OBAMA won't meet with FOX NEWS without preconditions

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:10 pm

Don`t do it Mr. President its a trap, now they are saying your afraid to, if you go they will say that you should be in D.C. running the country. No matter what you do its wrong, maybe you should just vacation on your ranch( scratch that "wrong Pres.")on second thought there is no place you can go that won`t be wrong may as well just eat worms.
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Re: OBAMA won't meet with FOX NEWS without preconditions

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:16 pm

samhill wrote:Don`t do it Mr. President its a trap, now they are saying your afraid to, if you go they will say that you should be in D.C. running the country. No matter what you do its wrong, maybe you should just vacation on your ranch( scratch that "wrong Pres.")on second thought there is no place you can go that won`t be wrong may as well just eat worms.


Or he could multi-task by using the Al Gore invention without having to leave the semen stained Oval Office.
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