OBAMA won't meet with FOX NEWS without preconditions

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PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:53 pm

I never get tired of this video:

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Re: OBAMA won't meet with FOX NEWS without preconditions

PostBy: stockingfull On: Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:44 pm

The power of the "Fourth Estate" is nothing new.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Estate

And politicians, since at least the time of Louis XVI, have been frustrated by that.

Dick Cheney commanded that any hotel room he stayed in have the TV's tuned to Faux. Bob Ehrlich went to court to defend his right not to give interviews to the Baltimore Sun. And he won. Did anybody from the right scream "fairness" then?

Fake News does well because it has no real competition for the loon-market.

In the end, media live or die because people watch them, or read them, or don't. And that's always been the case. So, when people say the "MSM" is "left-wing," what they're actually saying is that the people who patronize the MSM value what they're consuming from them, whether you describe it as "left-wing" or "fair." And, at least for now, those people outnumber those patronizing the "right-wing" media. Put another way, the media reflect us as a population.

If you don't like a newspaper, or a radio- or TV-station, don't patronize it. But, as Governor Ehrlich proved, public servants have no obligation to give interviews to people with whom they don't agree. (Besides, if you think it through, it's impossible to give interviews to "everybody" anyway.)
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Re: OBAMA won't meet with FOX NEWS without preconditions

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:11 pm

stockingfull wrote: Put another way, the media reflect us as a population.


I think it's exactly the opposite. "You are what you eat" is just as true whether it's food or information.

And whether it's Faux News or PMSNBC, it's just as fake.
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Re: OBAMA won't meet with FOX NEWS without preconditions

PostBy: stockingfull On: Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:35 pm

jpete wrote:
stockingfull wrote: Put another way, the media reflect us as a population.


I think it's exactly the opposite. "You are what you eat" is just as true whether it's food or information.

And whether it's Faux News or PMSNBC, it's just as fake.

I don't buy it. Literally. As long as there are choices out there, the "brainwashing" implication fails.
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Re: OBAMA won't meet with FOX NEWS without preconditions

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:00 pm

stockingfull wrote:I don't buy it. Literally. As long as there are choices out there, the "brainwashing" implication fails.


Just different flavors of brainwashing. The idea of the "Big Lie" is often attributed to Goebbels but it was Hitler who wrote:

All this was inspired by the principle--which is quite true in itself--that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.

—Adolf Hitler , Mein Kampf


I think the biggest issue with what the WH is doing is attacking the messenger instead of the message. In other words, shut up. In any event it's going to backfire on them as FOX will most likely turn up the heat.
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Re: OBAMA won't meet with FOX NEWS without preconditions

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:36 pm

Anita admits it "controls" the message to the media :

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Re: OBAMA won't meet with FOX NEWS without preconditions

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:30 pm

stockingfull wrote:
jpete wrote:
stockingfull wrote: Put another way, the media reflect us as a population.


I think it's exactly the opposite. "You are what you eat" is just as true whether it's food or information.

And whether it's Faux News or PMSNBC, it's just as fake.

I don't buy it. Literally. As long as there are choices out there, the "brainwashing" implication fails.


Two wings of the same bird. Watch whichever you'd like, the flight plan doesn't change.

When GWB was in, Faux News was the WH communications outlet. Now that BHO is in, PMSNBC is "it".

Neither one gives you "news", just commentary.
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