AXEMAN 101 *Class Is In Session!*

Re: AXEMAN 101 *Class Is In Session!*

PostBy: Yanche On: Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:14 pm

For a AA260 boiler AA says to use 6 inch stovepipe and an 8 inch type M baro. See attached image from the appendix of the AA installation manual.

I have my AHS 130 Coal Gun install like this using 5 inch stovepipe and a 6 inch type RC baro. I had to add additional weight to get the baro flapper to stay open as suggested. Using this setup I've not had the baro door blow off in a "puff back" situation. If fact a vigorous buff back will clean your stove pipe. Just blows everything into my chimney's clay liner. A design feature. :-)
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Alternate Heating Systems S-130
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea

Re: AXEMAN 101 *Class Is In Session!*

PostBy: whistlenut On: Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:31 pm

Oh my GAWD! Don't you just hate it when the answer to many problems is: Read the manual!

I've missed too many opportunities to make a small job really a small job....simply because I didn't read the directions.

I do have 2 AA 260's running for 32 years now, and each has a 6" baro and has worked perfectly all this time. I also have an AHS 260 with a 6" baro. Ditto on the way it runs....The EFM 900 has a 10", 8" on the 520's, 6" on the AHS and AA 130's. I still don't think it's rocket science, but I am willing to learn.
All chimneys are inside. 35 footers , so they draft extremely well....but it's nice to learn something new every day!
Thanks, Yanche!

PS: how's the ahs running with the mods you did recently? I have a question about the thermocouple, and fugi.
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Re: AXEMAN 101 *Class Is In Session!*

PostBy: coal berner On: Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:11 pm

Yanche wrote:For a AA260 boiler AA says to use 6 inch stovepipe and an 8 inch type M baro. See attached image from the appendix of the AA installation manual.

I have my AHS 130 Coal Gun install like this using 5 inch stovepipe and a 6 inch type RC baro. I had to add additional weight to get the baro flapper to stay open as suggested. Using this setup I've not had the baro door blow off in a "puff back" situation. If fact a vigorous buff back will clean your stove pipe. Just blows everything into my chimney's clay liner. A design feature. :-)

What is wrong using a 7" tee to run the 6" half way into it much less space to seal up at the ends of tee if you use a 8" tee more space will be inbetween the 6" to the 8" tee The 7" tee with a 8" to a 7" reducer with a 8" baro would work
I know 7" stuff is harder find in some area's but it will give a tighter fit 1" vs 2" space Whatever he uses the tee and baro must be as close to the chimney flue as possible . PS. Coal if you can't find a 7" Tee or the 8" to 7" Reducer let me know I have a local place that has them I will send them to you if you want to go that route .
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Re: AXEMAN 101 *Class Is In Session!*

PostBy: Yanche On: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:19 pm

I don't think there is any problem using a 7 inch pipe into the chimney collar with the 6 inch flue pipe. The text of the AA manual recommends this concentric pipe method for "excessive natural draft" chimney conditions. What the design does is provide a path for the natural draft to bypass the chimney path with an area larger than could be accomplished with a single baro on the stovepipe alone. Fields Controls recommends two baro's next to each other on the stovepipe for high draft conditions. Both accomplish the same objective, a large cross sectional area that bypasses the stovepipe.

I favor the AA suggested method because it directs the "puff back" gases directly into the chimney, greatly reducing the likelihood of blowing the damper door off the baro. Perhaps there is also a Bernoulli effect going on which would increase the idle draft condition to the boiler breach. I've not made any measurements to support that hypothesis
Yanche
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Alternate Heating Systems S-130
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea

Re: AXEMAN 101 *Class Is In Session!*

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:51 pm

OK, I have an L shaped piece of steel about a half inch wide and an eighth thick with one hole in the end, where does it go? :)
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260M
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Re: AXEMAN 101 *Class Is In Session!*

PostBy: LsFarm On: Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:08 am

Got a photo ? It doesn't sound like an AA part. Maybe part of the 'doghouse'? or do you have the optional coal agitator? If so, it may be part of that mechanism.

Greg L
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Re: AXEMAN 101 *Class Is In Session!*

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:46 am

Its shaped like a boomerang. One leg is 3" long and the other is 2 1/2" with a hole in one end. I know I took it off of this thing, but that was a while ago and I'm pretty sure I said to my brother " now remember where this came from". :oops:
I take it the rope asbestos base gasket is a deleted item? I think the literature that came with this thing that came with this pre-dates my birth. It clearly states everything is to be slathered liberally with asbestos. :lol:
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260M
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Re: AXEMAN 101 *Class Is In Session!*

PostBy: 009to090 On: Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:54 am

coaledsweat wrote: I know I took it off of this thing, but that was a while ago and I'm pretty sure I said to my brother " now remember where this came from".

Been there, done that :mad: I now take pictures of anything I disassemble, for reference during assembly :idea:
I also label all parts with a numbered label. You need two labels with the same number, one label gets put on each piece where there is a bolt removed.
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Re: AXEMAN 101 *Class Is In Session!*

PostBy: Freddy On: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:18 am

My AA came with a little note stapled on the manual "Please note, there is no asbestos used".


Hey Festus, what you like bestus? "I like asbestos"
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Re: AXEMAN 101 *Class Is In Session!*

PostBy: whistlenut On: Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:22 pm

Freddy, you are going to have to 'charge' for all this humor! Don't give away all the secrets before they buy and fire em up! :eek2: :doh: :rofl:
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Re: AXEMAN 101 *Class Is In Session!*

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:09 pm

So no gasket is used between the vessel and base, is that correct? This one had nothing.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260M
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Re: AXEMAN 101 *Class Is In Session!*

PostBy: coal berner On: Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:28 pm

coaledsweat wrote:So no gasket is used between the vessel and base, is that correct? This one had nothing.

No None air tight unit being the floor is open I did see some with a flat gasket between the boiler top and base if you have some use it if not don't worry about it I think your L shape piece goes on the leg stand or on the side of base to hold the ash arm control trying to remember only moved 25 or so of them AA :lol: look at the pick below

http://www.axeman-anderson.com/pdf/anthratube.pdf
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Re: AXEMAN 101 *Class Is In Session!*

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:51 pm

I looked at it close on the end with the hole and deduced from the marks on the steel that it was bolted to something slotted. I'm pretty sure it was in the ashing area anyway. Looking at the rectangular steel asher mount, it has 2 bolts that hold it down. I'm going to say it is 26GT191 Ratchet Pawl Guide and it goes under the right hand bolt. It sticks out like a finger and turns toward the coal tubes feed end. Confirmation?
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260M
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Re: AXEMAN 101 *Class Is In Session!*

PostBy: coal berner On: Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:27 pm

coaledsweat wrote:I looked at it close on the end with the hole and deduced from the marks on the steel that it was bolted to something slotted. I'm pretty sure it was in the ashing area anyway. Looking at the rectangular steel asher mount, it has 2 bolts that hold it down. I'm going to say it is 26GT191 Ratchet Pawl Guide and it goes under the right hand bolt. It sticks out like a finger and turns toward the coal tubes feed end. Confirmation?

Yea might be the Ratchet Pawl guide well is the bracket for it Could not think of it before but knew what you where talking about I had one of those brain fart moments
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Re: AXEMAN 101 *Class Is In Session!*

PostBy: whistlenut On: Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:41 pm

Are you a surgeon in the Rhode Island Hospital Network that keeps operating on the wrong body parts? Spare parts are not life threatening in a stoker, but in the hospital........
I use a flat rope gasket between the base and the boiler. It seems stupid to do so considering the base is open to the floor anyway, but it 'seems right'.

Like I always say: It ain't rocket science, Jethro! Somehow it seems that these units could be brought up the today's standards for short money; kinda makes you look at the new Royall Stokers as a shot outside the inner corporate circle.
Do something, even if it's wrong! ( and I don't think it is!) Should-A, Could-A, Would-A......and the horse is long gone because the barn door was left open.
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