Here it comes...

Here it comes...

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:58 pm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33459423/ns ... ld_and_flu


WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama has signed a proclamation declaring swine flu a national emergency, the White House said Saturday.....


....The national emergency declaration was the second of two steps needed to give Sebelius extraordinary powers during a crisis.


And I don't understand this in the least.


The only states without widespread flu are Connecticut, Hawaii, New Jersey and South Carolina.
If it's so "wide spread", you'd think they would be reporting it on the local news. And they haven't. One school had a bit of an outbreak but no deaths.


At last report, we had 3 deaths since April.
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Re: Here it comes...

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:11 pm

They broke your link! :o :D

Yeah my old school made headlines this week. Shut down due to swine! :lol: I don't see what the big deal is. More people have died pulling out in front of tractor-trailers on Rt.20 than died from this... :?: :?
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Re: Here it comes...

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:29 pm

I know there is a lot of it in my area. I don't know of any deaths here though.
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Re: Here it comes...

PostBy: KLook On: Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:36 pm

Never waste a good crisis.

Kevin
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Re: Here it comes...

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:42 pm

jpete wrote:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33459423...h-cold_and_flu


WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama has signed a proclamation declaring swine flu a national emergency, the White House said Saturday.....


....The national emergency declaration was the second of two steps needed to give Sebelius extraordinary powers during a crisis.


And I don't understand this in the least.


The only states without widespread flu are Connecticut, Hawaii, New Jersey and South Carolina.
If it's so "wide spread", you'd think they would be reporting it on the local news. And they haven't. One school had a bit of an outbreak but no deaths.


At last report, we had 3 deaths since April.


Try 1000 according to the CDC.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091023/ap_on_he_me/us_med_swine_flu
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.


Just because Obama says it does not make it wrong.
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Re: Here it comes...

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:09 pm

I had it back in 1976 was 18, bad stuff. I know at 51 if I would have to battle what I did in 1976 it would take me a long time to get over it if I would even... well you know. Yes I took the vaccine shot. Just to give you an idea of how bad swine flu is....time whether we have a clock or not we kinda keep time during the day, well with the swine flu back then I lost time, time meant nothing, like I was asleep but still awake. I have never been sick like that with no conception of time before. Bad stuff swine flu is.
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Re: Here it comes...

PostBy: New Hope Engineer On: Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:15 pm

SMITTY wrote:They broke your link! :o :D

Yeah my old school made headlines this week. Shut down due to swine! :lol: I don't see what the big deal is. More people have died pulling out in front of tractor-trailers on Rt.20 than died from this... :?: :?

there are alot of white crosses on the side of that highway!
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Re: Here it comes...

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:26 pm

H1N1 is nasty stuff. The place I work at has seen a lot of it and we are seeing more of it as time goes by.
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Re: Here it comes...

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:41 pm

jeromemsn wrote:I had it back in 1976 was 18, bad stuff.
Most of the older population has already been exposed to swine flu. I am old enough to have had it pass by 3 times during my stay here on earth. I don't recall whether or not had it but assume like most of my generation will have antibodies already that will help reduce its impact if we catch it. They pretty much pitch this scare with every flu season now, don't they? Swine flu, bird flu, flu flu, who can keep track? IIRC, the flu kills 30,000 people a year in this country. 1,000 deaths in the last 6 months from the pig version and its a crisis? I don't get it.
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Re: Here it comes...

PostBy: Dann757 On: Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:46 pm

1 in 600,000 worldwide. I don't know what to think. Is it really that bad a few hundred out of 300,000,000 in the US? I had the regular flu a couple years ago, no puking but I was put out. It was terrible. I didn't hesitate to chug Robo.
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Re: Here it comes...

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:27 pm

SMITTY wrote:They broke your link! :o :D

Yeah my old school made headlines this week. Shut down due to swine! :lol: I don't see what the big deal is. More people have died pulling out in front of tractor-trailers on Rt.20 than died from this... :?: :?


Fixed it! Thanks.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33459423/ns ... ld_and_flu

The government response to the severity of the flu seems out of whack to me. I get suspicious when there is in imbalanced response like this.
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Re: Here it comes...

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:34 pm

IIRC, the flu kills 30,000 people a year in this country. 1,000 deaths in the last 6 months from the pig version and its a crisis? I don't get it.


Exactly. People with compromised immune systems are the most vulnerable to any kind of virus or bacterial infection. Every year different types of influenza viruses circulate throughout the world, that's why last year's vaccine isn't any good this year. The swine version will pass by as the other's have. Remember the West-Nile virus panic a few years ago? Get bitten by a mosquito and you're as good as dead.

The "panic" is spread by people without enough knowledge of how a virus is spread. I'll bet they are the same people who don't follow the basic procedures to help prevent the spread of infectious diseases, they probably don't wash their hands after using the toilet either. :sick:

As far as the Swine Flu vaccine, I won't take it. My outlook may be a little different, but worth reading about.

Most people don't realize that there are enough germs in the air in the average retail store to wipe out the entire earth's population. It's all about the immune system. You eliminate bacteria and viruses everyday that could kill you without even realizing it.

http://www.branchvillefamilychiropracti ... nformation
Scroll down for links to sites about the Swine Flu vaccine.

Found this on the 'net written about the Swine Flu in 1977:
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/sf.html
Some of it (I did not read all of it) seems a little "out there" but still interesting.
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Re: Here it comes...

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:00 pm

Wood'nCoal wrote:
The "panic" is spread by people without enough knowledge of how a virus is spread. I'll bet they are the same people who don't follow the basic procedures to help prevent the spread of infectious diseases, they probably don't wash their hands after using the toilet either. :sick:

As far as the Swine Flu vaccine, I won't take it. My outlook may be a little different, but worth reading about.


I agree with you WoodnCoal. I'm not going to take the vaccine either and there is no way they can force me to as things stand now. 1000 deaths while sad certainly doesn't make a crisis; not when 30,000 die from regular flue every year. I can't help but wonder if this is merely one of the "crisises" that the Obama administration doesn't want to waste. There are a lot of uneducated folks out there that are willing to accept anything they are told on blind faith only to be surprised at the eventually outcome. Not me, I'll do my research, make my decision and let the cards fall where they will. Lisa
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Re: Here it comes...

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:33 pm

People used to give me weird looks when I used the paper towel to open the Men's room door, but now I see others doing it all the time. I work in various supermarkets around the area, so I'm in the "germ pool" most every day.
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Re: Here it comes...

PostBy: rberq On: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:47 pm

KLook wrote:Never waste a good crisis.

When the swine flu first appeared it looked far more deadly than it has (so far) turned out to be. It would have been irresponsible if the government had not quickly pushed to be prepared. There was and still is the possibility that a mutation could turn H1N1 far, far deadlier. In past flu epidemics there have been three peaks of infection -- the third peak of this one should be around January. The big push to vaccinate now is almost too late for the second peak but should reduce the third.

I consider myself a cynic, but to see the government response as a political move is beyond my power of reasoning. It reminds me of the Y2K computer bug warnings. Come January, 2000, everybody laughed and said, "See, we had nothing to worry about after all." NOT!!! Y2K was a non-disaster because huge effort was put in by vast numbers of computer programmers (me among them) who worked for a year and a half beforehand to find and fix the looming problems. If the flu turns out not too badly, then these same people will be blaming Obama for much ado about nothing. If it turns out very badly, they will be blaming him for not doing enough.
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