The article every American should read

Re: The article every American should read

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:16 pm

rberq wrote:
lowfog01 wrote:Erik ... you are truly a valuable asset on the forum (sarcasm.)

Erik is one of the very few on the forum who present actual, documented facts in support of his positions, rather than just parroting the wild vague distortions of the Thomas Sowells and Rush Limbaughs of the world.


rberq wrote:
lowfog01 wrote:Erik ... you are truly a valuable asset on the forum (sarcasm.)

Erik is one of the very few on the forum who present actual, documented facts in support of his positions, rather than just parroting the wild vague distortions of the Thomas Sowells and Rush Limbaughs of the world.


Isn’t it a blessing that we live in a country where we can have differing opinions.

Why do you suggest that I'm parroting "the wild vague distortions of the Thomas Sowells and Rush Limbaughs of the world." Is it not possible that I have actually looked at the data? It’s very easy to replicate thanks to the internet. I can’t believe you’d argue that either of these individuals make “wild vague distortions” considering the spotlight they live in. Think about it, there isn’t a liberal alive who wouldn’t love to find them wrong about something. The fact is no one can. No, what they put out is very well documented if you want to hear it. Isn’t it feasible that I did my research and came to a very different conclusion than you have? No, I guess that's too far fetched, huh. I suppose it's just not possible for anyone to actually have come to my stand on the issue without the influence of others. You may want to take another look at what you are saying and what's going on in this country. Lisa
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Re: The article every American should read

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:44 am

The emphasis the left wingers place on "facts" and "substantiation" is laughable. The left has tried time and time again to use "facts" to support their desires. The trouble is, the "facts" are really just politically skewed opinions and the "substantiation" is often half-truth, out of context, or only part of the story. In the end, they are only opinions to support desires but unlike Sowell, they don't have the balls to say it.

A great example of this is the global warming issue (now known as climate change because that covers all outcomes). It is also a great example of "the sky is falling" on the part of the left. There has been no harm done to the earth by co2 that is substantial or even accurately measurable, yet the left is so "convinced" of impending doom that they would risk an entire way of life because their "facts" support their desires! In the end, the left merely wants government control of everything they can get their hands on. The same is true with health care.

If you will notice, the left wingers have changed the subject to attack the person delivering the opposing opinion. If they had facts, they wouldn't have to do that. The left feels it should not be attacked because their opinion is "fact". In the end, left wingers only have an opinion but don't have the courage to call it what it is.

What it is.....................is socialism. And, it's a disgrace to our heritage.
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Re: The article every American should read

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:00 am

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Re: The article every American should read

PostBy: rberq On: Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:28 am

lowfog01 wrote:Why do you suggest that I'm parroting "the wild vague distortions of the Thomas Sowells and Rush Limbaughs of the world." Is it not possible that I have actually looked at the data?

Why? Because you posted the link to Sowell's say-nothing rant. I do believe you have looked at the data, and I'd much rather you post links to the data itself. For example, a week or two back you (I think it was you) posted a link to the text of a bill on gun registration. The bill was not yet law, but none-the-less it was eye-opening to see what one legislator was proposing.

Someone else posted a link to a bill on government emergency powers, including (so it was implied by the poster) the power to force people to be vaccinated. In fact a reading of the bill showed it did NOT force vaccination on people; but did potentially quarantine them temporarily if they refused treatment or vaccination. This was not much different from my early childhood when health departments still slapped a "quarantine" tag on your door for dangerous diseases.

Links to the actual data allowed me to see where the controversy was and make up my own mind. In one case I agreed it was a bad bill, in one case I felt the bill was reasonable. Sowell might whip the already-convinced into a frenzy, but people like me just scratch our heads and think, "What is this nut case talking about?"
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Re: The article every American should read

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:56 am

"Any serious effort to reform the media system would have to be necessarily part of a revolutionary program to overthrow the capitalist system itself. Also, there is no real answer, but to remove, brick by brick, the capitalist system itself, rebuilding the entire society on socialist principles."

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Robert McChesney is the founder of the “media reform” organization Free Press, and a board member of Norman Solomon's Institute for Public Accuracy. He is also a former editor and current board member of the Marxist magazine Monthly Review, which has a fifty-year history of supporting Communist movements and regimes.
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Re: The article every American should read

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:07 am

Black_And_Blue wrote:"Any serious effort to reform the media system would have to be necessarily part of a revolutionary program to overthrow the capitalist system itself. Also, there is no real answer, but to remove, brick by brick, the capitalist system itself, rebuilding the entire society on socialist principles."

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Robert McChesney is the founder of the “media reform” organization Free Press, and a board member of Norman Solomon's Institute for Public Accuracy. He is also a former editor and current board member of the Marxist magazine Monthly Review, which has a fifty-year history of supporting Communist movements and regimes.


OK, he's a socialist. So what?

Is he in the administration?

And really, does this have ANYTHING to do with the topic of the thread?
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Re: The article every American should read

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:28 am

ErikLaurence wrote:
OK, he's a socialist. So what?

Is he in the administration?

And really, does this have ANYTHING to do with the topic of the thread?


Free Press is working with the W.H. and the FCC.

The article on page one is titled : "Dismantling America".
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Re: The article every American should read

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:29 am

rberq wrote:
lowfog01 wrote:Why do you suggest that I'm parroting "the wild vague distortions of the Thomas Sowells and Rush Limbaughs of the world." Is it not possible that I have actually looked at the data?


[quote"rberq"]Why? Because you posted the link to Sowell's say-nothing rant. I do believe you have looked at the data, and I'd much rather you post links to the data itself. For example, a week or two back you (I think it was you) posted a link to the text of a bill on gun registration. The bill was not yet law, but none-the-less it was eye-opening to see what one legislator was proposing.


No, not me. I looked back over my postings and I haven't made any having to do with gun registration - at least that I can find or remember doing. My purpose in posting the Thomas Sowell article was to get people thinking about what's going on in our country. There was no need to post a link, I posted the link to the whole thing. I wasn't supporting a dissertation for a PhD. I was merely trying to get more individuals to care enough to question what's going on and start asking questions themselves. If you want more data of where he got his information, you can google it. It's all right there on the internet for anyone to look up whether or not I linked to them.

rberq wrote:Links to the actual data allowed me to see where the controversy was and make up my own mind. In one case I agreed it was a bad bill, in one case I felt the bill was reasonable. Sowell might whip the already-convinced into a frenzy, but people like me just scratch our heads and think, "What is this nut case talking about?"


It sounds to me as though you need to find a new source of news. If you are depending on ABC, CBS or anyone of the other media outlets for your primary source of news, you are being under informed. But that will mean you have to listen to the folks at Fox, you know the non-news organization that a growing majority of Americans are turning to daily, as well as talk radio. That too is all over the internet if you care to look. After you've heard both sides, the ABC, CBS, etc version and the Fox, Atlasshrugs.com and other internet news organizations versions will you know enough to find the truth. And then you can decide if Thomas Sowell is a "nut case" or a harbinger of Obama's "Fundamental Transformation of America." Lisa
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Re: The article every American should read

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:34 am

Black_And_Blue wrote:
ErikLaurence wrote:
OK, he's a socialist. So what?

Is he in the administration?

And really, does this have ANYTHING to do with the topic of the thread?


Free Press is working with the W.H. and the FCC.

The article on page one is titled : "Dismantling America".


On net neutrality issues. They want to prevent the prioritization of packets based on content. It assures all media forms and ideas can have equal access.
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Re: The article every American should read

PostBy: rberq On: Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:15 pm

lowfog01 wrote:It sounds to me as though you need to find a new source of news ... After you've heard both sides, the ABC, CBS, etc version and the Fox, Atlasshrugs.com and other internet news organizations versions will you know enough to find the truth.

Sorry, they're all pretty shallow and/or biased. I don't know where the real news is, but it's not there.
Maybe here? http://therealnews.com
And there is no such thing as "both sides" -- the serious issues have many more than two sides, and reducing them to black and white doesn't help.
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Re: The article every American should read

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:46 pm

ErikLaurence wrote:
On net neutrality issues. They want to prevent the prioritization of packets based on content. It assures all media forms and ideas can have equal access.


Mark this down, it will be used as another tool for redistributive change.
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Re: The article every American should read

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:54 am

Black_And_Blue wrote:
ErikLaurence wrote:
On net neutrality issues. They want to prevent the prioritization of packets based on content. It assures all media forms and ideas can have equal access.


Mark this down, it will be used as another tool for redistributive change.



Net neutrality deserves it's own thread.

I'm not sure how preventing the telcos and the government from being able to prioritize (or block) traffic based on packet content will lead to "redistributive change". On the contrary, net neutrality is antithetical with everything you assert the so called socialists are trying to do.
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Re: The article every American should read

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:21 am

Ouch, Sowell's followup article stings with more truths :

http://www.detnews.com/article/20091101/OPINION03/911010307/1008/Obama-s-critics-are-right-to-question-policies-despite-supporters%E2%80%93%E2%80%93outcry
Among the most pathetic letters and e-mails I receive are those from people who ask why I don't write more "positively" about Obama or "give him the benefit of the doubt."

No one -- not even the president of the United States -- has an entitlement to a "positive" response to his actions. The entitlement mentality has eroded the once common belief that you earned things, including respect, instead of being given them.


When a president of the United States has begun the process of dismantling America from within, and exposing us to dangerous enemies outside, the time is long past for being concerned about his public image. He has his own press agents for that.

Internationally, Barack Obama has made every mistake that was made by the Western democracies in the 1930s, mistakes that put Hitler in a position to start World War II -- and come dangerously close to winning it.
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Re: The article every American should read

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:03 pm

ErikLaurence wrote:Net neutrality deserves it's own thread.


New topic here: Net Neutrality: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
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Re: The article every American should read

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:44 pm

[quote="Black_And_Blue"]Ouch, Sowell's followup article stings with more truths :

http://www.detnews.com/article/20091101/OPINION03/911010307/1008/Obama-s-critics-are-right-to-question-policies-despite-supporters%E2%80%93%E2%80%93outcry
[quote]

Thanks for giving the follow up link. I wanted to but life got real busy over the weekend. On the plus side the weather has changed and I'm going to relight my stove this afternoon. Yeah! Wild dancing in the street; well may be I won't go that far. :D
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