Pellet Stoves & Chimney Fires

Pellet Stoves & Chimney Fires

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:01 pm

I thought this was never supposed to happen? The truck mechanic and I were talking yesterday about his pellet stove and he said he scored a good deal on some softwood pellets this summer and stocked up with 6 tons of them. This morning he came in and said he had a pretty good chimney fire last night, needless to say he is not happy. He has a S/S liner and is a volunteer fireman so he knew what to do and had no damage, the liner was glowing though. He said he just cleaned everything up a week ago, he is not a happy camper. :mad:
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Re: Pellet Stoves & Chimney Fires

PostBy: rockwood On: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:39 pm

Wow! I have never heard of that before. Must have been really bad pellets..? I had a pellet stove about 15 years ago and found there can be a big difference in the quality of wood pellets. Burning poor quality pellets can make a hard mass kind of like clinkers in the fire pot that must be cleaned out quite often but I never had an issue with creosote. What's scary is pellet stoves don't require a class A chimney (unless that has changed) to withstand flue fire temperatures.
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Re: Pellet Stoves & Chimney Fires

PostBy: WNY On: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:53 pm

Weird, never heard of that either, unless he had a lot of ash/dust build up from the pellets. As least with coal, there is no combustible by product (Ash) that can burn.

My sister had 2 pellet stoves, and just a about 1-2' of pipe coming out of the house and has never had it happen. She does have the occasional Smoke problem when they don't ignite right away and fills up with smoke and sometimes leaks out into the room.
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Re: Pellet Stoves & Chimney Fires

PostBy: Sting On: Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:52 pm

I'm addicted to these stories. Which is odd, because I don't have an addictive personality.
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Re: Pellet Stoves & Chimney Fires

PostBy: coal berner On: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:43 pm

coaledsweat wrote:I thought this was never supposed to happen? The truck mechanic and I were talking yesterday about his pellet stove and he said he scored a good deal on some softwood pellets this summer and stocked up with 6 tons of them. This morning he came in and said he had a pretty good chimney fire last night, needless to say he is not happy. He has a S/S liner and is a volunteer fireman so he knew what to do and had no damage, the liner was glowing though. He said he just cleaned everything up a week ago, he is not a happy camper. :mad:

Strange one most if not all of them pellets stoves have a ash collection box inside the stove next or by the exhaust fan
where the ash ends up where you have to Vac it out along with brushing out the heat exchange tubes most of them chimney pipes are triple wall or at least double wall.
I burn one for a few years never had much ash in the chimney in the tee I had on it there was a clean out cap turn and
dump ash out then brush but very little would make it outside most of it stayed in the collection box and the heat exchanger tubes once a week had to clean them out 1/4" of ash would take 50% of the heat output away Pellets are not clean by far and the quality is all over the place .
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Re: Pellet Stoves & Chimney Fires

PostBy: 009to090 On: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:55 pm

Good deal on Pellets? Probably old stock and moisture laden. High moisture content equals creosote. High creosote content in chimney, plus HOT fire, equals chimney fire. It happens.
That supply he got must be cr@p. He probably has to burn it hot all the time, to prevent creosote build-up. Don't attempt to "Idle" it.
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Re: Pellet Stoves & Chimney Fires

PostBy: coal berner On: Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:12 pm

DVC500 at last wrote:Good deal on Pellets? Probably old stock and moisture laden. High moisture content equals creosote. High creosote content in chimney, plus HOT fire, equals chimney fire. It happens.
That supply he got must be cr@p. He probably has to burn it hot all the time, to prevent creosote build-up. Don't attempt to "Idle" it.

If there was any moisture in them they would not be pellets any more that is another problem with pellets you must keep them dry and cool or they turn to mush or back to loose dust
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Re: Pellet Stoves & Chimney Fires

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:31 pm

Sting wrote:I'm addicted to these stories. Which is odd, because I don't have an addictive personality.

With that sig line?
"Hello, my Name is Sting and I'm a boilerhaulic" :lol:
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Re: Pellet Stoves & Chimney Fires

PostBy: Sting On: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:50 pm

:D
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Re: Pellet Stoves & Chimney Fires

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:04 pm

Purely anecdotal :

I purchased a freq scanner last year, there were at least (6) chimney fires last season that I recall, probably more. On more than one occasion the dispatcher and/or fire crew mentioned a wood stove or pellet stove during the call.

I also learned from listening that the FD has a thermo device unit that can see through walls and allows them to look for hot spots. :verycool:
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Re: Pellet Stoves & Chimney Fires

PostBy: shapps1313 On: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:53 pm

Was he using pellets or animal bedding that looks like pellets ? I bought a bag of animal bedding to use to start the Magnum because I was out of hardwood pellets, The brand is called "Equine Pine" and that is what they are, pelletized pine sawdust, smells like it in the bag, burns like it in the stove, I would never use them in a pellet burner for that reason.
Pine=Creosote

Bill
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Re: Pellet Stoves & Chimney Fires

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:03 pm

They are about 1"-2" long and 1/2" round, softwood fuel pellets was what he described them as.
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Re: Pellet Stoves & Chimney Fires

PostBy: Sting On: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:07 pm

1/2 inch

That aint no pellet stove fuel he was burning

appears to me.... blame must be assigned to the operator :P
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Re: Pellet Stoves & Chimney Fires

PostBy: 009to090 On: Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:28 am

coaledsweat wrote:They are about 1"-2" long and 1/2" round, softwood fuel pellets was what he described them as.

Something wrong there..... either they expanded from too much moisture, or they were not meant for burning in a pellet stove. Softwood pellets are 1/4"dia x 3/4" long.
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Re: Pellet Stoves & Chimney Fires

PostBy: SMITTY On: Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:10 am

Yeah, pellets are tiny. The only reason I know this is my pallets of coal made the trip to my house stacked right next to a pallet of pellets. Hard coal vs. soft pellets = SPILL! :o
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