NWO

NWO

PostBy: ken On: Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:32 pm

Is this stuff for real. I read China and India want no part of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddQvhdCyhe4
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Re: NWO

PostBy: mr1precision On: Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:51 pm

Nothing would suprise me anymore. If people were trying to ruin this great country, they would do what the government's been doing to us for a while now, not just Obama. It's a perfect recipe to get rid of the middle class.
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Re: NWO

PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:20 am

This is some serious *censored* here. My friends & I were just discussing this this past weekend. I wouldn't put it past Obama to go ahead with this full steam. Notice how this is hasn't been mentioned once in our local paper ... & I don't think it's being mentioned on mainstream media either, although I watch so little of it I can't be sure on that ....

Basically if he signs this thing, America as we know it will be history. Say goodbye to the constitution -- the new world order will be calling the shots. I don't know about anyone else, but I want NO PART OF THAT.

I'm HOPING that liberals & conservatives will unite AGAINST this stupid plan!
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Re: NWO

PostBy: Yanche On: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:47 am

Time out guys. In the US, treaty ratification must be advised and consented to by a two-thirds majority in the Senate. How likely is that?

The details for ratification are here:

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legisl ... eaties.htm
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Re: NWO

PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:57 am

I'd like to say NOT likely, but these days I'm not so sure in light of what's being proposed for health care, etc....

If it did pass, it would mean that we were in far worse shape than any media outlet would let us on to believe. Maybe by signing this, it would prevent a complete collapse of our country? :cry: God help us if so...
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Re: NWO

PostBy: Dann757 On: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:04 am

I heard the Japs did not invade the US mainland in WWII, because they knew "there is a rifle behind every blade of grass."

I don't think now is the time to further destroy our economy with this attempt by the third world to grab money and tax our hard earned industry.

Obama just closed Yucca mountain, with billions of dollars wasted. So much for alternative energy.

It's like the old lifeboat scenario, row away from the hundred drowning passengers or they will surely pull the lifeboat under and then nobody survives.
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Re: NWO

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:49 am

Dann757 wrote:I heard the Japs did not invade the US mainland in WWII, because they knew "there is a rifle behind every blade of grass."



I think it had more to do with unsustainable supply lines. Minimal sea lift. Almost no armor and no industrial base to build armor. No ability to wage strategic war against our industrial heartland in the east. Too small an army already spread really thin in China. Being 6000 miles away. Not to mention occupying the US was not one of their strategic goals for the war.

But I'm sure the "rifle behind every blade of grass" thing played a role too.
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Re: NWO

PostBy: ken On: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:14 am

Thanks Yanche. I read that you do need 2 thirds to pass a treaty. Whats this part saying though. "The president may also enter into executive agreements with foreign nations that are not subject to Senate approval".
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Re: NWO

PostBy: pvolcko On: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:43 pm

There is also the issue of the State Dept deciding that treaties which the President has signed, but have not yet been ratified, still need to be adhered to. There was some legislation or other negotiation recently where they insisted on honoring the terms of the Law of the Sea treaty, another which has been signed by a President but has not been ratified. This along with executive agreements are but two ways we can find ourselves living under the terms of such treaties without actually being legally bound to them.

Federal courts and the Supreme Court have also been flirting with the notion of folding international laws and "standards" into their decision making on various US cases (sodomy law cases, capital punishment cases, EPA and "clean air" related cases, etc.). While those that engage in such "thought experiments" will pronounce that such laws and standards are not driving their decisions on cases, that is cold comfort given the long history of judicial overreach, social engineering, the notion of the living constitution as espoused by the more liberal members of the bench, and the human desire to stand out and "make law" through the precedents they set. Perhaps such standards and international law have not played a deciding role in US jurisprudence so far, but it seems it is only a matter of time before the right balance of judgicial philosophy finds itself on the bench, emboldening them enough to take that last step to making certain legal practices and standards overseas the law of our land too.

I don't know if Monkton is right about the draft treaty for Copenhagen having provisions to establish a world government for environmental concerns (particularly as they relate to CO2 production), with powers of taxation and injunction and all the rest, but I don't doubt for a second it comes damn close to what he is warning about here or that it could very easily morph into what he warns of once signed or ratified. And there is much evidence to suggest we could find ourselves being held to the terms of this treaty even without formal ratification.
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Re: NWO

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:26 pm

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Re: NWO

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:31 pm

If they can't get it in one shot, they'll do it piecemeal.

Anyone familiar with "The Law of the Sea Treaty"(L.O.S.T.)?

I've already mailed my delegation and they support it.

http://usforeignpolicy.about.com/od/uni ... treaty.htm
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Re: NWO

PostBy: danzig On: Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:35 am

All of this is no surprise to me. This country is divided in many ways. There are many people in this country who are great Americans true patriots! We have people in this country who are willing to fight and die for this country. On the other end of the Spectrum we have just as many people who are willing to give this country away and sell us off and send us down the river.
What this all boils down to is if people want to live in freedom or let the Government rule your lives forever! :mad:
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Re: NWO

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:33 pm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... s_politics

The New World Order came into being at 4:25 Tuesday afternoon.
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