Fire Safe Cigarettes

Re: Fire Safe Cigarettes

PostBy: rockwood On: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:05 pm

I'm not going to say chemicals should or shouldn't be added but the fire a tenant caused by smoking in bed in my rental may have been prevented by the new cigarettes. To this day I don't know if she dropped the cigarette, ash fell off or what. Luckily no one was physically hurt but the place was gutted by the fire and tenant did not have renters insurance....hope that cigarette in bed was worth it...what a nightmare.
Often the carelessness of a few results in new mandates for everyone else.
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Re: Fire Safe Cigarettes

PostBy: Pete69 On: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:14 pm

Lets hope they don't mandate firesafe in our coal due to the careless actions of a few coal burners.
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Re: Fire Safe Cigarettes

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:27 pm

rockwood wrote:To this day I don't know if she dropped the cigarette, ash fell off or what.


There is some debate where they may actually cause fires. Since the cigarette is harder to burn you need to drag harder causing a larger lit tip
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Re: Fire Safe Cigarettes

PostBy: Stephen in Soky On: Sun Nov 08, 2009 3:12 pm

I raised tobacco commercially for years. This year I'm trying to raise my own for smoking. Getting it from the seed to the stripping room hasn't been any issue, from the stripping room to the tube however may get the best of me!

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Re: Fire Safe Cigarettes

PostBy: Pete69 On: Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:44 pm

I would like to try that myself. Where can I get seeds? Will they grow in northern climates? How much would you have to grow for a years supply at a pack a day?
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Re: Fire Safe Cigarettes

PostBy: Stephen in Soky On: Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:47 pm

Here's the place I use. Mr. Newton (It's a Father- SIL operation) has been in the business his entire 85+ years. Very nice folks to deal with.
http://www.newtontobaccoseed.com/
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.
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Re: Fire Safe Cigarettes

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Sun Nov 08, 2009 7:25 pm

Pete69 wrote:Will they grow in northern climates?

They grow the finest shade grown cigar wrappers in the world here in CT, so I would say yes.
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Re: Fire Safe Cigarettes

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:36 pm

Southwick MA is also part of that cigar wrapper area. If they can grow here I'd say they can grow anywhere.
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Re: Fire Safe Cigarettes

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:28 am

Fire safe cigarettes. Once again the government feels the need to save stupid people from themselves. If it was a matter of an unsuspected danger, I would appreciate the government warning, as in the case of the health warning label on the package. There was a time when the public may not have known the truth. Now we do. It is difficult to imagine a person who doesn't know the danger of fire and heat. Perhaps in this day and age, it is more foreign to younger generations but it's a stretch.

Has anyone in the NYS government investigated the effect of this chemical on the smoker before mandating the ban on non-firesafe cigarettes? If I were NYS I wouldn't want the responsibility of dictating how to manufacture a cigarette or be put in the position of trusting the evil cigarette maker on the subject? Would I ? Or do they realize that the cigarette manufacturer has an interest in a long lived consumer also?

I question the sincerity of the government on this issue. If tobacco products are defective as was determined in the courts a decade ago, and if they kill and maim so many people in the US each and every minute such that we must expend copious resources on health care and legislative warning, why don't we just ban them?

How is it that our powerful legislators and legal activists can muster the strength and resource to fight the unending battles of regulation over the evil tobacco companies but never pursue or win a direct ban? Could it be that their morality is as shallow as their own needs are deep?

A ban on smoking would strip them of taxes and constituency in short order. It would create a black market, out of the tax man's reach. It would form enemies of the politician and deny a revenue stream for government at all levels.

There will never be a ban on cigarettes. I can live with that. Just spare me the false morality of the politicians, activists and lawyers.

If you got em, smoke em. But you know they ain't good for ya!
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Re: Fire Safe Cigarettes

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:12 am

mikeandgerry wrote: why don't we just ban them?


Well besides the taxes they wouldn't collect you'd have 10's of millions people addicted to a drug that has been compared to heroin. You'd create a huge a black market for product that could be grown and produced right here which would inevitably lead to crime, violence etc.
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Re: Fire Safe Cigarettes

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:19 am

Richard S. wrote:
mikeandgerry wrote: why don't we just ban them?


Well besides the taxes they wouldn't collect you'd have 10's of millions people addicted to a drug that has been compared to heroin. You'd create a huge a black market for product that could be grown and produced right here which would inevitably lead to crime, violence etc.


Not to mention the overwhelming success of other similar bans on things like alcohol, marijuana, cocaine, heroin, and so forth. The 18th amendment was such a rousing success.
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Re: Fire Safe Cigarettes

PostBy: acesover On: Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:33 am

How about a classaction lawsuit against the goverment, any lawyers out there.
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Re: Fire Safe Cigarettes

PostBy: ken On: Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:41 am

What happen to the chemicals they use to put in the paper to keep the cig burning?
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Re: Fire Safe Cigarettes

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:44 am

ken wrote:What happen to the chemicals they use to put in the paper to keep the cig burning?

They probably had to add a few more chemicals so that the stuff to put it out doesn't interfere with the stuff that keeps it burning. That is logical, right?
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Re: Fire Safe Cigarettes

PostBy: tvb On: Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:54 am

Once again the government feels the need to save stupid people from themselves.


And the 500 - 700 non-smokers killed each year by the careless actions of smokers, and the billions of dollars of property owned by non-smokers destroyed by the careless actions of smokers, or don't they matter to you?
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