Is the GOP seriously this stupid?

Is the GOP seriously this stupid?

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:09 pm

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009 ... -snowe.php

Family Research Council PAC: We Would Support A Primary Against Olympia Snowe

I just spoke to Connie Mackey, president of the Family Research Council Action PAC, and she told me that if a conservative candidate were to emerge to run against Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME) in the 2012 Republican primary, FRC Action will back them.

"Well of course there is an audience that would love to see Olympia Snowe out of office, within the ranks of social conservatives, that's for certain," said Mackey.

A new survey from Public Policy Polling (D) found that a generic conservative challenger would lead the moderate Snowe in a Republican primary by a whopping 59%-31% margin.


On of two things would happen;

Snowe would run as an independent and win easily.

A democrat like Tom Allen (or god forbid someone like Ethan Strimling) who is far to the left of Snowe would win.

Either way, the GOP would lose the seat.

The Great Purge in the GOP will be the death of the party. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge

The dems were just as stupid to do the same thing to Lieberman.
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Re: Is the GOP seriously this stupid?

PostBy: bear creek burnout On: Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:20 pm

What some of the wackos on the far right and the far left always fail to realize is that most of us reside in the center....some to the right and others to the left....but in the center nonetheless......
The center is where legitimate, reasonable compromise comes from.....not the far outer limits of either Party.
And yes.....the GOP is that stupid.....so are the Libs on the far left...... :mad3:
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Re: Is the GOP seriously this stupid?

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:24 pm

bear creek burnout wrote:And yes.....the GOP is that stupid.....so are the Libs on the far left...... :mad3:


I totally agree. Lieberman was dropped by the dems over ONE issue.
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Re: Is the GOP seriously this stupid?

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:52 pm

bear creek burnout wrote:What some of the wackos on the far right and the far left always fail to realize is that most of us reside in the center....some to the right and others to the left....but in the center nonetheless......

They realize it, they just don't care as it doesn't fit their world and compromise is not an option.
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Re: Is the GOP seriously this stupid?

PostBy: Berlin On: Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:37 pm

I like Reagan's philosophy which is that the republican party is a party that holds certain fundamental conservative values to be true; these beliefs are not to be compromised to satisfy a few individuals in the party that may not agree. If certain individuals would like to modify their own views on some fundamental conservative beliefs so that they more closely align with important conservative values and less with liberal one's then they will likely be embraced and enjoy the support of the republican party, if not, then they are free to leave and/or may not be supported by the RNC. I personally won't vote for any republican candidate that has compromised on his conservatism before even negotiating or debating legislation etc. w/ the oposition.
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Re: Is the GOP seriously this stupid?

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:43 pm

I support a primary against all incumbents.
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Re: Is the GOP seriously this stupid?

PostBy: SMITTY On: Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:46 pm

Hear, Hear! :cheers:

ESPECIALLY in Massachusetts :!: :!: :idea:
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Re: Is the GOP seriously this stupid?

PostBy: mr1precision On: Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:20 pm

SMITTY wrote:Hear, Hear! :cheers:

ESPECIALLY in Massachusetts :!: :!: :idea:


I'll drink to that!
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Re: Is the GOP seriously this stupid?

PostBy: pvolcko On: Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:48 pm

bear creek burnout wrote:The center is where legitimate, reasonable compromise comes from.....not the far outer limits of either Party.


With respect, the center is not where compromise comes from, it is where all compromise ends up.

Almost all compromise is born of the minority budgeoning the majority into a few key points of submission in order to get passage of policy. In those rare congresses where the majority has a significant numbers advantage on the minority, the "art" of compromise shifts from one of statesmanship and genuine political debate and compromise to the game of repeatedly "poaching" the in-name-only members of the minority. The majority needs to compromise far less than they would have to normally because these poachable members of the minority are already 3/4's of the way there (or depending on the issue, may already be all the way there, and simply are holding out for some pork).

In either situation, the moderates and in-name-only members of each party rarely drive the compromise process or "own" any particular set of positions. They simply stand there and claim the compromise as their position, often at each stage of compromise. :) There are exceptions, the Gang of 14 comes to mind, but such coalitions of moderate voices driving political process and debate are very rare. Also rare, a genuinely principled moderate member of a party ends up retaining their seat for many years and gains a great deal of power and perhaps even collegial adulation. Patrick Moynihan (though primarily a liberal, had a number of principled conservative stances) and, in some respects, John McCain come to mind.

And lastly, whether the compromises are legitimate or reasonable is a matter of much debate. Just because the compromise results in a more "central" policy doesn't mean it is intrinsically legitimate or reasonable. The great unwashed "center" certainly doesn't get to declare it legitimate and reasonable just because they were standing there (or more likely ran there) when the compromise fell from the sky, like so many bird droppings. :)
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Re: Is the GOP seriously this stupid?

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Sat Nov 14, 2009 1:17 pm

pvolcko wrote:
bear creek burnout wrote:The center is where legitimate, reasonable compromise comes from.....not the far outer limits of either Party.


With respect, the center is not where compromise comes from, it is where all compromise ends up.

Almost all compromise is born of the minority budgeoning the majority into a few key points of submission in order to get passage of policy. In those rare congresses where the majority has a significant numbers advantage on the minority, the "art" of compromise shifts from one of statesmanship and genuine political debate and compromise to the game of repeatedly "poaching" the in-name-only members of the minority. The majority needs to compromise far less than they would have to normally because these poachable members of the minority are already 3/4's of the way there (or depending on the issue, may already be all the way there, and simply are holding out for some pork).

In either situation, the moderates and in-name-only members of each party rarely drive the compromise process or "own" any particular set of positions. They simply stand there and claim the compromise as their position, often at each stage of compromise. :) There are exceptions, the Gang of 14 comes to mind, but such coalitions of moderate voices driving political process and debate are very rare. Also rare, a genuinely principled moderate member of a party ends up retaining their seat for many years and gains a great deal of power and perhaps even collegial adulation. Patrick Moynihan (though primarily a liberal, had a number of principled conservative stances) and, in some respects, John McCain come to mind.

And lastly, whether the compromises are legitimate or reasonable is a matter of much debate. Just because the compromise results in a more "central" policy doesn't mean it is intrinsically legitimate or reasonable. The great unwashed "center" certainly doesn't get to declare it legitimate and reasonable just because they were standing there (or more likely ran there) when the compromise fell from the sky, like so many bird droppings. :)


At the end of the day, that's all moot.

Parties that don't compromise lose elections. If the GOP breaks along the line between the classic libertarians and the religious right, both of those movements are destined to be minorities.

Al Gore didn't lose the election in 2000 because of hanging chads, or butterfly ballots, or because of the supreme court, or because GWB's brother "stole the election". He lost because Ralph Nader got 97,488 votes in Florida that if Nader had not been on the ballot would have broken 80-20 to Gore.
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Re: Is the GOP seriously this stupid?

PostBy: stockingfull On: Sat Nov 14, 2009 1:37 pm

ErikLaurence wrote:Parties that don't compromise lose elections. ...

Al Gore didn't lose the election in 2000 because of hanging chads, or butterfly ballots, or because of the supreme court, or because GWB's brother "stole the election". He lost because Ralph Nader got 97,488 votes in Florida that if Nader had not been on the ballot would have broken 80-20 to Gore.

Exactly. At the end of the day, it's why we have a two-party system, when no such form is designed into our government framework. It's because of the learning curve: every time a party starts experimenting with "purity" and the third parties that leads to, it gets a quick lesson in electoral arithmetic of carving up your base and turning a majority into a couple minorities.

So, as much trouble as we left-wingers have with filibusters and Liebermans and Stupak amendments, nothing would please us more than for the GOP to "purify" itself in the next year. 8-)
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