Obama Wasn't lying, No health care for Illegals

Obama Wasn't lying, No health care for Illegals

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:31 am

Because they'll be legal:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/14/us/po ... immig.html

The Obama administration will insist on measures to give legal status to an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants as it pushes early next year for legislation to overhaul the immigration system, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said on Friday.

In her first major speech on the overhaul, Ms. Napolitano dispelled any suggestion that the administration — with health care, energy and other major issues crowding its agenda — would postpone the most contentious piece of immigration legislation until after midterm elections next November.
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Re: Obama Wasn't lying, No health care for Illegals

PostBy: mr1precision On: Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:28 am

Reward bad behavior and punish success. That seems to be a common thread these days. :mad:
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Re: Obama Wasn't lying, No health care for Illegals

PostBy: samler17 On: Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:51 am

I wonder if any of those 12 million illegals are taking 12 million jobs away from 12 million americans. :mad: But what do I know I'm not a politician! I'm sure that has nothing to do with the economy. :D
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Re: Obama Wasn't lying, No health care for Illegals

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:03 am

Since he's all about creating czars, why doesn't he hire a deportation czar. Then they can create another bureaucracy that will at least get something useful done - DEPORTING ILLEGALS. It will create hundreds if not thousands of new jobs, then they can misappropriate funds like they always do, & skim off the top ..... at least we'll be kicking these bastards out of the country! :idea:
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Re: Obama Wasn't lying, No health care for Illegals

PostBy: Dann757 On: Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:29 am

The nearly $2.1 billion in costs incurred by New Jersey taxpayers annually result from outlays in the
following areas:

Education.
Based on estimates of the illegal immigrant population in New Jersey and documented
costs of K-12 schooling, New Jerseyites spend more than $1.85 billion annually on education for the
children of illegal immigrants. This estimate does not include programs for limited English students,
remedial educational programs or breakfast and lunch programs available to students from lowincome
families. An estimated 11.7 percent of the K-12 public school students in New Jersey are
children of illegal aliens.

Health care.
Taxpayer-funded, unreimbursed medical outlays for health care provided to the state’s
illegal alien population amount to an estimated $200 million a year.

Incarceration.
The uncompensated cost of incarcerating deportable illegal aliens in New Jersey’s
state and local prisons amounts to about $50 million a year. This estimate includes only prison
personnel costs and not short-term or other detention costs, related law enforcement and judicial
expenditures, or the monetary costs of the crimes that led to incarceration.
The fiscal costs of illegal immigration borne by state taxpayers do not end with these three major cost areas.
The total local cost of illegal immigration would be considerably higher if other cost areas were also
calculated, such as preventive health programs, special English instruction, interpretation services in courts
and hospitals, welfare programs used by the U.S.-born children of illegal aliens, or welfare benefits for
American workers displaced by illegal alien workers.
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Re: Obama Wasn't lying, No health care for Illegals

PostBy: 4tees On: Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:49 am

I have been saying this all along. Obama will create new government form ("ILL-OC")that will be two parts..

Top half of the page Illegals can sign up to become a legal American Citizen by paying a $10 fee...
Bottom half of the page will be a check box to sign up for Obama care and also make them eligible for a $1,000 Obama Care "thanks for signing up" tax credit ....

See...we didn't cover illegals..

WATCH OUT it's coming.
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Re: Obama Wasn't lying, No health care for Illegals

PostBy: rberq On: Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:03 pm

Don't take this as either a defense or an attack on illegal immigration -- just as discussion.

Imagine yourself born in Mexico. How many of you would now be illegal immigrants to the US? Would you "behave" and stay put in the squalor and corruption south of the border, or would you try to better yourself and better your family's prospects by coming here? Is it the lazy low-lifes who get it together and come here, or is it the bright and the ambitious who will, in the long run, help to make the US better?
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Re: Obama Wasn't lying, No health care for Illegals

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:32 pm

rberg I understand the reasons for them wanting to come here and I don;t blame them for wanting to be here either but this is nation of laws and you need to follow the law. It's pointless to have them especially if we are going to be continually giving amnesty too these people.

There's another argument about this as well, the US is attracting the best and the brightest from these countries. If you're very intelligent your chances of getting in are greatly increased either through a schools visa or what have you which could lead to permanent residency. The problem is you are sucking all life blood out of these nations.

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Re: Obama Wasn't lying, No health care for Illegals

PostBy: Paulie On: Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:35 pm

We are a country of immigrants. It is the LIFE BLOOD of our nation. This country was built on immigrants. LEGAL
immigrants. It is not unreasonable to expect the process that has worked so well for so long, to be enforced. The various
stories of human angst that leads people to jump the border is heart wrenching, but that does not change the deal. At least
it should not. If the laws were enforced, the problem would go away. I empathize with people who focus on the human side
of illegal immigration. It is not pretty, but if we are to have a country, then the laws must be enforced. If not, then have NO
borders, and lets have at it. Well, you can not do that, but that is exactly what illegal immigration does. Just not for everybody, just the few who are willing break the law. Legal, controlled immigration is the best way to go. That is what got
us to this point. The cheaters should be ejected immediately. It is wrong, harmful, and unfair.
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Re: Obama Wasn't lying, No health care for Illegals

PostBy: rberq On: Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:37 pm

I agree with all you said, Richard. However, my question was, not what is legal, but what would YOU, personally, do if you were in their position?
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Re: Obama Wasn't lying, No health care for Illegals

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:24 pm

For decades there was no complaining about the illegals simply because they were doing the jobs nobody wanted & the business owners were happy to exploit them by paying them lower wages. Now we`re stuck, Ike had gotten rid of most during his operation *censored*, it took at least two years to do it. If we never protect our border we will never be able to control it.
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Re: Obama Wasn't lying, No health care for Illegals

PostBy: efo141 On: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:01 pm

We need immigration officers in each Police force. Then fine the *censored* out of the employers who hire them. The jobs no one else wants to do? bull! We filled these jobs before the immigration problem. All the little lawn mowing, landscapers farmers and other small business in my area are just putting more profit in there pockets. The threat of huge fines would stop them from hiring illegals. If theres no work for them there's no reason to come. I don't blame them for wanting a better life. We are all immigrants, but most did it the legal way and learned the language.
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Re: Obama Wasn't lying, No health care for Illegals

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:55 pm

Helen Keller saw this coming......
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