Graham Gives Holder Lesson in Law

Re: Graham Gives Holder Lesson in Law

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:23 pm

mikeandgerry wrote:
ErikLaurence wrote:
Not quite.

It is admissible in court against others. It is just not admissible in court against the person who gave the testimony.

Let's say you and I were planning a crime, I get caught and do not get mirandized. I spill the whole story to the authorities. They can use my information to convict YOU, they just can't use it to convict ME. Miranda is about SELF incrimination. It only taints the information insofar as it pertains to prosecuting the person who gave it


Yes, Erik, I understand Miranda, thank you.


Not if you stand by this you don't

mikeandgerry wrote: All of the incriminating interogation data collected over the years from the Gitmo detainees will be useless in court. Many of the detainees will go free.
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Re: Graham Gives Holder Lesson in Law

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:54 pm

: EYE TEST

Just One of The Differences Between Republicans and Democrats.......................

This is Maria, SC Republican
Governor Mark Sanford's mistress.
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This is Golan, NJ Democrat
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Re: Graham Gives Holder Lesson in Law

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:15 pm

Poconoeagle wrote:: EYE TEST

Just One of The Differences Between Republicans and Democrats.......................

This is Maria, SC Republican
Governor Mark Sanford's mistress.
EYETEST.jpg




ANY QUESTIONS?

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Just one question.

Why is her right boob so much higher than her left?

Is Sanford too cheap to buy her both implants at the same time?
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Re: Graham Gives Holder Lesson in Law

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:20 pm

:D good observation. the right should be bigger ....no?

no replies needed from the new jersey perspective :lol:
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Re: Graham Gives Holder Lesson in Law

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:58 pm

ErikLaurence wrote:Why is her right boob so much higher than her left?

For the same reason here left shoulder is higher, the way she is standing.
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Re: Graham Gives Holder Lesson in Law

PostBy: stockingfull On: Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:36 pm

Poconoeagle wrote:: EYE TEST

Just One of The Differences Between Republicans and Democrats.......................

This is Maria, SC Republican
Governor Mark Sanford's mistress.
EYETEST.jpg


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This is Golan, NJ Democrat
Governor Jim McGreevey's mistress.
eyetest 1.jpg


ANY QUESTIONS?

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Just a small visual test, for you today -

Yes, I have a couple:
1. Where's Mark Foley's mistress?
2. Where's Larry Craig's mistress?
3. Where's Bob Bauman's mistress? http://www.congressionalbadboys.com/Bauman.htm
Oh, that's right, none of them had mistresses -- they all were involved in casual homosexual solicitations, either with pages, underage boys or total strangers in airport men's rooms.
But one last question, since you asked:
4. Why on earth would you lead with your party's chin like that? :lol:
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Re: Graham Gives Holder Lesson in Law

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:22 am

Stocking....do I really have to mention Barney Frank here???? ;)
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Re: Graham Gives Holder Lesson in Law

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:52 am

ErikLaurence wrote:
mikeandgerry wrote:
ErikLaurence wrote:
Not quite.

It is admissible in court against others. It is just not admissible in court against the person who gave the testimony.

Let's say you and I were planning a crime, I get caught and do not get mirandized. I spill the whole story to the authorities. They can use my information to convict YOU, they just can't use it to convict ME. Miranda is about SELF incrimination. It only taints the information insofar as it pertains to prosecuting the person who gave it


Yes, Erik, I understand Miranda, thank you.


Not if you stand by this you don't

mikeandgerry wrote: All of the incriminating interogation data collected over the years from the Gitmo detainees will be useless in court. Many of the detainees will go free.


Sorry Erik, I should have used the term "self-incriminating" which is what I intended. Please accept my most humble apology.

Nonetheless, I understand Miranda. You don't understand the problem. Try to focus next time on the issue, OK?

Here it is one more time for you, Mr. Nitpicker-in-chief:

What the left doesn't understand is that none of these men should go free and none of these men deserve Miranda or any other rights afforded people in this country. They were caught on the battlefield. They were in military detention as enemy combatants. They should be held until Al qaeda is no longer a threat. In other words....until the war with them is over.


POW's don't get Miranda. The Harvard morons in the Obama administration are trying to trivialize the prosecution of Al-qaeda for political purposes. They want to consider the combants criminals and give them the same rights as citizens. It's only purpose is to counter the Bush administration.

Playing politics with national security like the left wingers are doing now is the crime.

What subject do you want to change to now, Erik? Spelling, punctuation, grammar?
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Re: Graham Gives Holder Lesson in Law

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:54 am

mikeandgerry wrote:
POW's don't get Miranda.


No, but they get a lot of rights as POW's that we have not given them.



There are three options here:

1. You treat them as POWs. When we win we have to let them go. We don't get to lock them up for life. We certainly don't get to execute them.

2. You treat them as criminals, try them, convict them, and lock them up for the rest of their lives.

3. You lock them up for the rest of their lives without a trial or a show trial. You make up a new status that applies only to them. This is what dictatorships do. If you're OK with peeing on the Constitution then this is your option.



You tell me, what's the American thing to do?

It's better that one of these guys go free than we destroy the Constitution of the United States. If we don't stand by the principals that this country was founded on then they have won. Their goal is for us to defeat ourselves by abandoning our beliefs.
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Re: Graham Gives Holder Lesson in Law

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:15 pm

ErikLaurence wrote:
mikeandgerry wrote:
POW's don't get Miranda.


No, but they get a lot of rights as POW's that we have not given them.



There are three options here:

1. You treat them as POWs. When we win we have to let them go. We don't get to lock them up for life. We certainly don't get to execute them.

2. You treat them as criminals, try them, convict them, and lock them up for the rest of their lives.

3. You lock them up for the rest of their lives without a trial or a show trial. You make up a new status that applies only to them. This is what dictatorships do. If you're OK with peeing on the Constitution then this is your option.



You tell me, what's the American thing to do?

It's better that one of these guys go free than we destroy the Constitution of the United States. If we don't stand by the principals that this country was founded on then they have won. Their goal is for us to defeat ourselves by abandoning our beliefs.


Are you saying that we can't win........or are you saying your side won't try? The American thing to do is to beat their asses to a pulp by applying extreme pressure many ways. You concern yourself with rights the combatants don't have. If today's liberals were in charge of WWII we would have lost to the Germans and the Japanese.

If you don't defend this nation with prejudice from foreign enemies, you will have peed on the Constitution.
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Re: Graham Gives Holder Lesson in Law

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:04 pm

mikeandgerry wrote:
If you don't defend this nation with prejudice from foreign enemies, you will have peed on the Constitution.


Where are "extraordinary renditions" in the Constitution?

Where are wars without declarations from Congress?

Every war since WWII has been unconstitutional.

The last war we fought to "preserve freedom" was in 1812.
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Re: Graham Gives Holder Lesson in Law

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:33 pm

jpete wrote:
mikeandgerry wrote:
If you don't defend this nation with prejudice from foreign enemies, you will have peed on the Constitution.


Where are "extraordinary renditions" in the Constitution?

Where are wars without declarations from Congress?

Every war since WWII has been unconstitutional.

The last war we fought to "preserve freedom" was in 1812.



+1
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Re: Graham Gives Holder Lesson in Law

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:36 pm

mikeandgerry wrote:
If you don't defend this nation with prejudice from foreign enemies, you will have peed on the Constitution.


This nation IS the Constitution.

This nation is not a chunk of land, it is not a people, it is an idea.

If you reject the ideas, you have rejected America.
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Re: Graham Gives Holder Lesson in Law

PostBy: tvb On: Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:02 pm

Poconoeagle wrote::D good observation. the right should be bigger ....no?

no replies needed from the new jersey perspective :lol:


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Number of ethics violations by the former governor of new Jersey: 0
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Re: Graham Gives Holder Lesson in Law

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:25 pm

tvb wrote:
Poconoeagle wrote::D good observation. the right should be bigger ....no?

no replies needed from the new jersey perspective :lol:


Number of ethics violations by the current governor of North Carolina: 37

Number of ethics violations by the former governor of new Jersey: 0


Whose ethics?
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