My current huge project

Re: My current huge project

PostBy: freetown fred On: Mon Apr 19, 2010 4:59 pm

It's nice to run into a salesperson that knows what they're talkin about--yep,when you get that floor wrapped up,you'll definetly be deservin that break :)
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Re: My current huge project

PostBy: LsFarm On: Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:46 pm

Its been a lousy week. I've had several tradesmen fail to show up.. These were the guys tile/slate flooring installers who said they would be glad to put down my slate floor.. With one a no show on Monday [after confirming on the previous Saturday :mad: ] Then I called and got a second guy to show up the next day: on Tuesday.. again, a no-show.. so I said to H*ll with 'em..

My buddy who has been helping me with the project and I started the slate install job.. This was the one job I promised myself I'd hire out.. the last time I put down tile, I was crippled for a week or more after I was done.. and it was only about 100sqft. This job is 800sqft.

So have put down about 200-250 sqft so far.. I'm slow and have bad knees and an out-of-condition back.. so I'm really slow. And Motrins, Aleves, nor Tylenol take the edge off the pain..

I may have experienced help tomorrow morning,, Saturday.. we'll see..

If not, it will just take me several weeks worth of my few days at home [not flying] to complete the floor..

But, the good news is that the floor looks great, and will look even better once the perimeter border is done, and the grout is in and sealed..

Greg L.

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Re: My current huge project

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:43 am

I guess those guys don't need the money in this bad economy ... :roll:

Looks mint so far! 8-)
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Re: My current huge project

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:13 am

Greg,that looks outstanding.You'll be slower & sorer,but you'll have it just like you want it--I wish I was closer,I'd surely give you a hand--then we could both be crippled up at the end of the day,but damn proud of the progress--remember,slow & steady :)Are you cuttin the 4 inchers or did you find some??
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Re: My current huge project

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sat Apr 24, 2010 8:29 am

I bought most of the small squares, they are 6". The problem with them is that they are 'tumbled' to smooth the edges, which also rounds the corners, and chips many corners.. I have cut a few 6" square myself, and will probably continue to cut a few. I can't use the ones with missing corners.

This morning I'm a wreck.. feels worse than the last three mornings.. I'd have thought that I'd start to toughen up. This gettin' old crap is no fun. If I can just survive for a few more days, then I'll go to work to rest up. !!

I walked out on the slate barefoot this morning, and the warm floor heat feels great through the slate, instead of throught the concrete thin-slab. Much smoother! The visual impact of the morning sunlight over the slate puts a smile [almost] on my face..

I think that the two installers that were no-shows were anxious for work in the winter, but now that spring has sprung, many small jobs are gettign started, and homeowners are fixing up their houses to try to sell them.. There isn't much in new construction, but seems like small projects are on the increase.. So these installers took care of their own jobs at a higher profit margin and faster job completion than would be on my big job. At least that's my theory.. I know the installers are all busy, when they weren't, they called every week to ask when the slate was going down.. figures..

Well, the Aleve seems to be kicking in, time to go mix some thinset.

Greg L
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Re: My current huge project

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:42 pm

One of the 'no-shows' arrived this morning.. and we got a lot done.. He is not fussy enough for me, so I had to keep an eye on his work, but he finally figured out that I was interested in quality, not speed..
Inspite of my slowing him down, he was able to put down 2-3x as many pieces as I have been able to get down per day. He's supposed to come back tomorrow, so if he shows, I should get most of the large areas down, but a lot of cutting and border pieces to go ..

Greg L
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Re: My current huge project

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:50 pm

Greg,is that going to just be a splash edge around the island---the progress is looking outstanding---maybe a couple less Aleeve tonight :) I like the way the colors are comeing out ;) Yes,it's going to take alot of tile for all those cuts
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Re: My current huge project

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:57 pm

I got something that will fix that back pain right up ...... but there's that whole FAA thing .... better not ... :D

Make them do the work. Take your time, & take it easy. It'll be done soon enough ... & you'll never have to do any of it again. 8-)
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Re: My current huge project

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:01 am

Smitty: Yeah, the FAA gets in the way of all the fun !! :lol:

F/Fred: Nope, that's not a splash edge,, that's some of the 8" border or perimeter pieces that are leaning up against the island.. I put them there to get them out of the way while I put down the larger pieces.. I just didn't set them back on the flat for the photo. :shock:

Aleve and two cocktails,, and i'm ready for bed..

Greg L
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Re: My current huge project

PostBy: LsFarm On: Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:46 pm

Well I got my break,, that is I had to go back to the paying job before the floor got done..
I have to say, slate tile is fussy, slow, tedious and painful stuff to put down.. I think I'm about 2/3 done. I have most of the 'easy' large areas down, but all the border/perimeter pieces need to be cut and put down, i have only about 20% of the border done.

It takes a lot of time to cut, recut, make templates for the fussy corners etc.. I'm getting faster and better at it, but it is still slow going.. But i want it to look right, not like some hack just tossed the pieces in the mud..

Greg L

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Re: My current huge project

PostBy: ceccil On: Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:59 pm

Looking great Greg.

As they say, "slow and steady wins the race". It will be all worth it when it's done. Of course your really never completely done.

You should have all of the major pain relief companies submit bids for your meds.
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Re: My current huge project

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:01 am

Greg,you are doing it right. When I started doing Tile back when,it was wham,bam,thank you maame,as time progressed I got a pretty good & drew some real intricate jobs--ex:bottom of swimming pool murals w/ 1X1 tiles before they came out w the pre-made mat designs--Momma would do the art work & I did the tile---it was slow going but looked beautious--in the end of my tile career,knees were shot,shoulders were shot,etc--a fellow tile guy said I had to try this quick set thinset :( my first job w/it was pretty intricate w/ alot of cuts--after about 10 tiles w/ cuts I put my trouw in the mud bucket & had nothing but a CLUNK--yup,it was quick set :lol: great for the big flat out money jobs but I went back to the old SLOW-SET---my last job was for a friend-- bathroom,shower area---we used 1" X 12" spanish flat tile--no bathtub just an open shower area 4'X8' w/shower heads on two walls-- did walls & floor,w/ drain & lip--plus the floor in the rest of it--it came out real nice---outstanding what you've got so far my friend :D And yes,slate can be pretty persnikkity--that 4" level keeps you honest,levelwise---if you take a golf ball & bounce it on each tile & it sounds solid--you done it right--time consumeing??YOU BETCHA,or you could just do a few random ones :cheers:
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Re: My current huge project

PostBy: brckwlt On: Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:53 pm

Greg,

did you use any underlayment before you laid the tile. I always see mike holes from Holmes on Homes use this stuff when he lays tile

http://www.schluter.com/2080.aspx
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Re: My current huge project

PostBy: LsFarm On: Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:45 pm

The whole floor is an underlayment, it is 1 1/2" concrete. Go back to the middle of the thread, there are some photos of the floor being poured..

My floor could have been 2x8's on 16" centers, braced for the concrete when it was poured, I said to h*ll with that, I used 2x10's on 12" centers.. the floor is RIGID. And with the 1-1/2" of fiber-reinforced concrete on top, it feels like a concrete driveway.. so no problems with poor surface [concrete] or weak, flexible surfaces.. I'm adding flat pieces of rock [slate] to flat rock [concrete]. :shock: :D

My personal feelings about underlayment is that it is a bandaid for a weak floor or poor surface.. But that's just my opinion. And I suppose some floors NEED a bandaid before putting down a rigid tile flooring.


Greg L.
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Re: My current huge project

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sun May 02, 2010 10:13 am

May 1st weekend,, another scramble to get as much done as I can before I have to leave town and go back to work. I spent most of Saturday cutting and fitting slate,, Sunday I'll put it down.. I'm working on the border alongside the wood floor in the family room. I put down a straight board to lay the border pieces up against, to create a true straight line. Cutting and fitting the pieces from the 'diamond' pattern up against the border pieces is very time consuming.. inspite of having followed a string-line down the middle of the slate tile walkway, the variations in dimensions of the slate tended to add up here and there,, and I ended up with having every tile being a different size.. what a pain, but very important to keep this border and it's grout-line straight.. it's the only straight line anyone will see on the floor without trying to sight down a grout-line.. this one is 'right there' every time you walk in, or walk through the house past the kitchen.

I had to chisel up two tiles from last weekend,, they were just too high to work with. Sigh, sometimes you have to go backwards to go forward.

The carpet is in for the stairs and balcony areas, it will arrive monday morning, I have a few guys lined up to help get it up the stairs and into the empty upstairs room for cutting/trimming.

The balcony railings are being welded up the last few days and will be available to install on Thursday or Friday.
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The waranteed patio doors are to be installed on thursday or friday..

Going to be busy the end of the week.. And I should be home on Thursday afternoon to 'stupervise' :D

I'll post photos later..

Greg L
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