Tora Bora -- "the failure to finish the job..."

Tora Bora -- "the failure to finish the job..."

PostBy: stockingfull On: Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:25 pm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/congress/2009_rpt/091130_tora-bora_ubl.htm

By early December 2001, Bin Laden’s world had shrunk to a complex of caves and tunnels carved into a mountainous section of eastern Afghanistan known as Tora Bora. Cornered in some of the most forbidding terrain on earth, he and several hundred of his men, the largest concentration of Al Qaeda fighters of the war, endured relentless pounding by American aircraft, as many as 100 air strikes a day. One 15,000-pound bomb, so huge it had to be rolled out the back of a C-130 cargo plane, shook the mountains for miles. It seemed only a matter of time before U.S. troops and their Afghan allies overran the remnants of Al Qaeda hunkered down in the thin, cold air at 14,000 feet.

Bin Laden expected to die. His last will and testament, written on December 14, reflected his fatalism. “Allah commended to us that when death approaches any of us that we make a bequest to parents and next of kin and to Muslims as a whole,” he wrote, according to a copy of the will that surfaced later and is regarded as authentic. “Allah bears witness that the love of jihad and death in the cause of Allah has dominated my life and the verses of the sword permeated every cell in my heart, ‘and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together.’ How many times did I wake up to find myself reciting this holy verse!” He instructed his wives not to remarry and apologized to his children for devoting himself to jihad.

But the Al Qaeda leader would live to fight another day. Fewer than 100 American commandos were on the scene with their Afghan allies and calls for reinforcements to launch an assault were rejected. Requests were also turned down for U.S. troops to block the mountain paths leading to sanctuary a few miles away in Pakistan. The vast array of American military power, from sniper teams to the most mobile divisions of the Marine Corps and the Army, was kept on the sidelines. Instead, the U.S. command chose to rely on airstrikes and untrained Afghan militias to attack bin Laden and on Pakistan’s loosely organized Frontier Corps to seal his escape routes. On or around December 16, two days after writing his will, bin Laden and an entourage of bodyguards walked unmolested out of Tora Bora and disappeared into Pakistan’s unregulated tribal area. Most analysts say he is still there today.

The decision not to deploy American forces to go after bin Laden or block his escape was made by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and his top commander, Gen. Tommy Franks, the architects of the unconventional Afghan battle plan known as Operation Enduring Freedom....


Lovely.
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Re: Tora Bora -- "the failure to finish the job..."

PostBy: tvb On: Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:55 pm

Iraq would have been a harder sell.

Then again, 7 1/2 years ago Bush all but declared victory in Afghanistan. (http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2004/0 ... 412fa_fact) There's video of him declaring this to troops but I'm too lazy to go look for it. They were still maintaining that Afg. was a victory during the 2004 campaign when Kerry tried to make the point that it had not been anything close to a victory. Now it's an 8 year old unchanged diaper.

I just wish the clean-up would take place with General McChrystal enjoying his retirement somewhere. I am clueless as to why this man still has a job.
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Re: Tora Bora -- "the failure to finish the job..."

PostBy: whistlenut On: Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:00 pm

Politics............................................................................................suck! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Just got orders today: 5th deployment for a very close family member......pass GO, do not collect $200.00!!

Iran belched, stock market knees are a-shakin, oil shoots up 4 %..........where the hell is the Enola Gay parked????

Col Tibbets, do you know any young fellows who need a 'training mission'?
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Re: Tora Bora -- "the failure to finish the job..."

PostBy: stockingfull On: Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:11 pm

Lessee, if we, um, "connect the dots", what do we find as a reason for invading Iraq?

WMD? Nope. Osama? Uh-uh.

Saddam's 1993 attempt to hit Dubya's old man? Hmmm.
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Re: Tora Bora -- "the failure to finish the job..."

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:16 pm

whistlenut wrote:Col Tibbets, do you know any young fellows who need a 'training mission'?


Off topic but.... His Grandson commands (or commanded) same squadron now flying B2's.

The Plane That Would Bomb Iran

The pilots I was embedded with were from the 393rd Bomb Squadron, out of Whiteman Air Force Base, near Kansas City, and they were in Guam on a four-month rotation. The 393rd is the squadron whose planes dropped the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. In fact, the current commander is the grandson of Colonel Paul W. Tibbets Jr., the pilot who flew the Hiroshima mission in 1945. Lieutenant Colonel Paul W. “Nuke” Tibbets IV grew up in Montgomery, Alabama, and graduated from the Air Force Academy. He was one of several B-2 pilots whose quarters I shared.
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Re: Tora Bora -- "the failure to finish the job..."

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:16 pm

sounds like a good enough reason tho
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Re: Tora Bora -- "the failure to finish the job..."

PostBy: whistlenut On: Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:29 pm

Richard, you are the man! Cream rises to the top in virtually all fields of endeavor. Gawd, I'd love to get a ride in a B-2....it's damned near as well designed as an EFM....err an AHS....err a Axeman.....err a Keystoker....a Yellow Flame.....oops, a Leisure line, that 'H' company where the Mission statement is: "F-U! We got the cash, you are on your own!!!!"

I wonder if the 1.3 billion those B-2's cost is a hard number or a guesstimate? Need a tanker load of personal lubricant to ease the pain of that cost!

I understand your point Stock; 5 times deployed in this family, not shying away, but the timex is gonna stop ticking soon if our kosher friends don't get some closure on the 'peaceful purpose' fuel enhancement issue.
Serious poker game, REAL serious. :shock: :shock:

NEPA members: please send what you can to support the Dubai Resorts Mecca, it would be a shame for them to default on such a humanitarian resort....and it's only a few billion. We are a compassionate sort aren't we? :P :shock: :? :roll: :mad:
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Re: Tora Bora -- "the failure to finish the job..."

PostBy: Paulie On: Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:09 pm

A lost opportunity to cut the head off the snake. With any luck there will be others.
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Re: Tora Bora -- "the failure to finish the job..."

PostBy: whistlenut On: Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:19 pm

Why just the head? I like the word 'vaporization'.
That will leave the 'panty wearing individuals' with something to choke on!
Time is well past the Cowboys and 'Others' Game.
Vietman era vets still have very little sense of humor over this kind of rhetoric. nuff said.....
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