Afghanistan strategy

Afghanistan strategy

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:18 pm

ErikLaurence wrote:I see that we played directly into their hand.

The goal of 9/11 was not to kill American civilians. The goal of 9/11 was not to bring down the twin towers. The goal of 9/11 was not to overthrow America.

The goal of 9/11 was to provoke a huge US overreaction.

UBL wants and needs US troops in the middle east and the Indian subcontinent, the more the better for him. He was hoping for a US occupation of Afghanistan, our invasion of Iraq was success beyond his wildest imagination (the US in a second occupation and we got rid of Saddam, the most powerful secular ruler in the region for him). He needs a bogey man. There's nothing he wants more than the US to invade Iran and Pakistan. He's not scared he'll lose. He's scared we won't think he's important.

As for the "war on terror"? There is no "war on terror". You can't have a war against terror. It's like having a war on flanking maneuvers. Terror is a tactic.


Well, if we were to adopt your strategy....do nothing, that is, it certainly won't be a war on terror, it will be the turkey shoot of terror.

So why isn't Mr. Obama pulling troops rather than building them up? If you say we are playing into their hands, then your party's actions make no sense.

The goal of 9-11 was simply to upset "utopia" and to show sympathetic muslims that AQ is powerful and that the enemy, the Americans, are not safe from their competing and superior ideology. it was intended to be retribution for the suffering they say we have caused them.

If we did not react to it, the attacks would become more bold. Their network will grow either way. Their approach has merely shifted the focus on the cause of their people's indigence from themselves to their bogeyman--the US. We can cause a lot more damage to AQ and the taliban's image by pummeling them on their own turf and by operating there relatively unobstructed.

The approach of Islam is low and slow. As I stated, and as you choose to ignore, theirs is a war of attrition and we will lose if not vigilent in defending our values as superior to theirs. Islam cannot coexist with western values.
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Re: Obama bows to Saudi King, WH DEnies it....

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:31 pm

mikeandgerry wrote:
ErikLaurence wrote:I see that we played directly into their hand.

The goal of 9/11 was not to kill American civilians. The goal of 9/11 was not to bring down the twin towers. The goal of 9/11 was not to overthrow America.

The goal of 9/11 was to provoke a huge US overreaction.

UBL wants and needs US troops in the middle east and the Indian subcontinent, the more the better for him. He was hoping for a US occupation of Afghanistan, our invasion of Iraq was success beyond his wildest imagination (the US in a second occupation and we got rid of Saddam, the most powerful secular ruler in the region for him). He needs a bogey man. There's nothing he wants more than the US to invade Iran and Pakistan. He's not scared he'll lose. He's scared we won't think he's important.

As for the "war on terror"? There is no "war on terror". You can't have a war against terror. It's like having a war on flanking maneuvers. Terror is a tactic.


Well, if we were to adopt your strategy....do nothing, that is, it certainly won't be a war on terror, it will be the turkey shoot of terror.

So why isn't Mr. Obama pulling troops rather than building them up? If you say we are playing into their hands, then your party's actions make no sense.

The goal of 9-11 was simply to upset "utopia" and to show sympathetic muslims that AQ is powerful and that the enemy, the Americans, are not safe from their competing and superior ideology. it was intended to be retribution for the suffering they say we have caused them.

If we did not react to it, the attacks would become more bold. Their network will grow either way. Their approach has merely shifted the focus on the cause of their people's indigence from themselves to their bogeyman--the US. We can cause a lot more damage to AQ and the taliban's image by pummeling them on their own turf and by operating there relatively unobstructed.

The approach of Islam is low and slow. As I stated, and as you choose to ignore, theirs is a war of attrition and we will lose if not vigilent in defending our values as superior to theirs. Islam cannot coexist with western values.


I have not outlined a strategy here so you have no idea what my strategy is. When did I ever say we don't need to react?

Once again you leap to the conclusion everyone who disagrees with you is a "liberal" and a democrat.

I think George Bush did a great job for the first 60 days of the Afghan war. But then he refused to risk casualties to win it at Tora Bora. Then he got distracted by Iraq.

...and here we are 8 years later.
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Re: Afghanistan strategy

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Sat Dec 05, 2009 9:53 pm

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Re: Afghanistan strategy

PostBy: dll On: Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:07 am

I found this on a blog, it appears to be authentic.

From a Recon Marine in Afghanistan to stateside family & friends:

From the Sand Pit: It's freezing here. I'm sitting on hard, cold dirt between rocks and shrubs at the base of the Hindu Kush Mountains , along the Dar 'yoi Pomir River , watching a hole that leads to a tunnel that leads to a cave. Stake out, my friend, and no pizza delivery for thousands of miles.

I also glance at the area around my ass every ten to fifteen seconds to avoid another scorpion sting. I've actually given up battling the chiggers and sand fleas, but those scorpions give a jolt like a cattle prod. Hurts like a bastard. The antidote tastes like transmission fluid, but God bless the Marine Corps for the five vials of it in my pack.

The one truth the Taliban cannot escape is that, believe it or not, they are human beings, which means they have to eat food and drink water.. That requires couriers and that's where an old bounty hunter like me comes in handy. I track the couriers, locate the tunnel entrances and storage facilities, type the info into the handheld, shoot the coordinates up to the satellite link that tells the air commanders where to drop the hardware. We bash some heads for a while, then I track and record the new movement..

It's all about intelligence. We haven't even brought in the snipers yet. These scurrying rats have no idea what they're in for. Well cut their supply lines and the eradication will begin.

I dream of bin Laden waking up to find me standing over him with m y boot on his throat as I spit into his face and plunge my nickel-plated Bowie knife through his frontal lobe. But you know me, I'm a romantic. I've said it before and I'll say it again: This country blows, man. It's not even a country. There are no roads, there's no infrastructure, there's no government. This is an inhospitable, rock pit *censored* hole ruled by eleventh century warring tribes. There are no jobs here like we know jobs.

Afghanistan offers two ways for a man to support his family: join the opium trade or join the army. That's it. Those are your options. Oh, I forgot, you can also live in a refugee camp and eat plum-sweetened, crushed beetle paste and squirt mud like a goose with stomach flu, if that's your idea of a party.

I've been living with these Tajiks and Uzbeks, and Turkmen and even a couple of Pushtuns, for over a month-and-a-half now, and this much I can say for sure: These guys, all of 'em, are Huns... Actual, living Huns.. They LIVE to fight. It's what they do. It's ALL they do.. They have no respect for anything, not for their families, nor for each other, nor for themselves. They claw at one another as a way of life. They play polo with dead calves and force their five-year-old sons into human cockfights to defend the family honor. Hun, cavemen with AK-47's. Then again, maybe I'm just cranky.

I'm freezing my ass off on this stupid hill because my lap warmer is running out of juice, and I can't recharge it until the sun comes up in a few hours. Oh yeah! You like to write letters, right? Do me a favor, Bizarre. Write a letter to CNN and tell Wolf and Anderson and that awful, sneering, pompous Aaron Brown to stop calling the Taliban 'smart..' They are not smart. I suggest CNN invest in a dictionary because the word they are looking for is 'cunning.' The Taliban are cunning, like jackals and hyenas and wolverines..They are sneaky and ruthless, and when confronted, cowardly. They are hateful, malevolent parasites who create nothing and destroy everything else.. Smart.. Pfft. Yeah, they're real smart.

They've spent their entire lives reading only one book (and not a very good one, as books go) and consider hygiene and indoor plumbing to be products of the devil. They're still figuring out how to work a Bic lighter. Talking to a Taliban warrior about improving his quality of life is like trying to teach an ape how to hold a pen; eventually he just gets frustrated and sticks you in the eye with it.

Please, I tell you and my fellow Americans to turn off the TV sets and move on with your lives. The story line you are getting from CNN and other news agencies is utter bullshit and designed not to deliver truth but rather to keep you glued to the screen through the commercials. We've got this one under control The worst thing you guys can do right now is sit around analyzing what we're doing over here, because you have no idea what we're doing, and really, you don't want to know. We are your military, and we are doing what you sent us here to do.

Semper fi; Saucy Jack - Recon Marine in Afghanistan

"Freedom is not free...but the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share

Life isn't about how to survive the storm, but how to dance in the rain.
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Re: Afghanistan strategy

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:51 am

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/freezing.asp

dll wrote:I found this on a blog, it appears to be authentic.

From a Recon Marine in Afghanistan to stateside family & friends:

From the Sand Pit: It's freezing here. I'm sitting on hard, cold dirt between rocks and shrubs at the base of the Hindu Kush Mountains , along the Dar 'yoi Pomir River , watching a hole that leads to a tunnel that leads to a cave. Stake out, my friend, and no pizza delivery for thousands of miles.

I also glance at the area around my ass every ten to fifteen seconds to avoid another scorpion sting. I've actually given up battling the chiggers and sand fleas, but those scorpions give a jolt like a cattle prod. Hurts like a bastard. The antidote tastes like transmission fluid, but God bless the Marine Corps for the five vials of it in my pack.

The one truth the Taliban cannot escape is that, believe it or not, they are human beings, which means they have to eat food and drink water.. That requires couriers and that's where an old bounty hunter like me comes in handy. I track the couriers, locate the tunnel entrances and storage facilities, type the info into the handheld, shoot the coordinates up to the satellite link that tells the air commanders where to drop the hardware. We bash some heads for a while, then I track and record the new movement..

It's all about intelligence. We haven't even brought in the snipers yet. These scurrying rats have no idea what they're in for. Well cut their supply lines and the eradication will begin.

I dream of bin Laden waking up to find me standing over him with m y boot on his throat as I spit into his face and plunge my nickel-plated Bowie knife through his frontal lobe. But you know me, I'm a romantic. I've said it before and I'll say it again: This country blows, man. It's not even a country. There are no roads, there's no infrastructure, there's no government. This is an inhospitable, rock pit *censored* hole ruled by eleventh century warring tribes. There are no jobs here like we know jobs.

Afghanistan offers two ways for a man to support his family: join the opium trade or join the army. That's it. Those are your options. Oh, I forgot, you can also live in a refugee camp and eat plum-sweetened, crushed beetle paste and squirt mud like a goose with stomach flu, if that's your idea of a party.

I've been living with these Tajiks and Uzbeks, and Turkmen and even a couple of Pushtuns, for over a month-and-a-half now, and this much I can say for sure: These guys, all of 'em, are Huns... Actual, living Huns.. They LIVE to fight. It's what they do. It's ALL they do.. They have no respect for anything, not for their families, nor for each other, nor for themselves. They claw at one another as a way of life. They play polo with dead calves and force their five-year-old sons into human cockfights to defend the family honor. Hun, cavemen with AK-47's. Then again, maybe I'm just cranky.

I'm freezing my ass off on this stupid hill because my lap warmer is running out of juice, and I can't recharge it until the sun comes up in a few hours. Oh yeah! You like to write letters, right? Do me a favor, Bizarre. Write a letter to CNN and tell Wolf and Anderson and that awful, sneering, pompous Aaron Brown to stop calling the Taliban 'smart..' They are not smart. I suggest CNN invest in a dictionary because the word they are looking for is 'cunning.' The Taliban are cunning, like jackals and hyenas and wolverines..They are sneaky and ruthless, and when confronted, cowardly. They are hateful, malevolent parasites who create nothing and destroy everything else.. Smart.. Pfft. Yeah, they're real smart.

They've spent their entire lives reading only one book (and not a very good one, as books go) and consider hygiene and indoor plumbing to be products of the devil. They're still figuring out how to work a Bic lighter. Talking to a Taliban warrior about improving his quality of life is like trying to teach an ape how to hold a pen; eventually he just gets frustrated and sticks you in the eye with it.

Please, I tell you and my fellow Americans to turn off the TV sets and move on with your lives. The story line you are getting from CNN and other news agencies is utter bullshit and designed not to deliver truth but rather to keep you glued to the screen through the commercials. We've got this one under control The worst thing you guys can do right now is sit around analyzing what we're doing over here, because you have no idea what we're doing, and really, you don't want to know. We are your military, and we are doing what you sent us here to do.

Semper fi; Saucy Jack - Recon Marine in Afghanistan

"Freedom is not free...but the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share

Life isn't about how to survive the storm, but how to dance in the rain.
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Re: Afghanistan strategy

PostBy: dll On: Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:25 am

Thanks Erik.
Looks like this one has been around for a while.
Here's another athttp://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/a/afghanfrontline.htm
Message From a Recon Marine on the Front Lines in Afghanistan-Unproven!

Summary of eRumor:
This is a graphic and expletive-laden message said to be from a Marine writing from the front lines of fighting in Afghanistan.

The Truth:
We have not found any origin or validation for the message. No identity is given.

Some versions indicate that the message was read on a radio program in San Diego. That is true, but the producer for Sully and Scooter at KOGO radio says they do not have any information on the identity of the Marine or whether the letter is authentic.
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