Abortion

I was doing research on a hernia repair I had done a little over a month ago on Youtube and accidently can across a video showing aborted fetuses in Spanish. I posted it in inappropiate place on this forum and it was rightly removed. Although this is not the same video it is similiar in its content. It is graphic and disturbing. Reality sucks.

I have to admit, I'm a fencewalker on the issue. I'm not 100% against it (especially in cases of rape or incest), but I'm not really 100% for it either. It's a tough one ..... I see all the time what happens to unwanted kids. The state I live in has systems set up to deal with those kids (at taxpayers expense), so there's more of that in cities around here than there might be in other states. The kids grow up a burden to the system: welfare and other public assistance as an infant, then they get older & graduate to the legal system, then inevitably, we pay for their housing in jail for xx amount of years.

But it's tough to make that justification for killing someone, and not even giving them a chance ....

I also have some close friends & relatives that had the procedure done .... it's not easy on anyone, but in these separate situations, I agreed with their reasons. It actually saved alot worse heartache for both the unborn & the parents. I can't explain it without airing someones dirty laundry, so I'll just leave it at that.

I might be simple minded but I believe in protecting the innocent and punishing the guilty. That is a core belief. I know life can get complicated. Thankyou for your post.

They are not innocent until they are viable outside the womb.

If you are against abortion, don't have one.

women make their call - you can't legislate morality

On a personal level I am against abortion and would do everything I could to avoid it. However, I will not pass judgment others. It is a matter of conscience.

Abortion as birth control is evil, make no mistake. Now, in cases of rape and incest, no question that it should be available.
Choice choice, I hear it all the time. Many choices along the way, choose to have sex, choose to use or not use birth control,
etc. How many choices do you need?
It is a hoot that questioning the appropriateness of a subject is edited, yet not the subject that is questionable. What do
I know? Political correctness has reached the coal forum too. THAT surprises me as I thought this would be a hold out and a
standard of sanity. Ah well, edit away! I did not watch the kill video, as really, I have no interest in the visual. Maybe run
it with the hunting, gutting videos, after all, a kill is a kill.

It is true that you cannot change what is in someones heart by passing a law or forcing them to attend a church. That has been tried with other issues and in other times. You can't force people to be moral. Many laws that are on the books do have society's morality folded into them. Examples that come to mind would be incest, rape, murder, assault, and theft. The law doesn't directly prevent anyone from doing any of those things but there are consequences if they do. Most people are not offended by the morality contained within the laws about rape, incest...ect because they agree with the moral principles in those laws. Today out society is deeply divided about the very definition of when human life begins. That is an understatement. If you believe it is the point of viability outside the womb then the laws based on that persumtion make sense. I don't think I'm wise enough, I don't think anyone is wise enough to know the answer to just when an unborn child is worth protecting such as it can be done by a law. My heart says protect them all but I am one voice. One voice does not change laws. Maybe, just maybe I can change the heart of another person.

Judging by the responses it is obvious I am a minority in my position. I appoligize to those who feel that this is an inappropiate topic for a coal forum.

cokehead wrote:Judging by the responses it is obvious I am a minority in my position. I appoligize to those who feel that this is an inappropiate topic for a coal forum.

This particular forum is named "Thoughtful and Intelligent Debates". While many may disagree with what is posted here, it is posted in the appropriate forum.

coaledsweat wrote:

cokehead wrote:Judging by the responses it is obvious I am a minority in my position. I appoligize to those who feel that this is an inappropiate topic for a coal forum.

This particular forum is named "Thoughtful and Intelligent Debates". While many may disagree with what is posted here, it is posted in the appropriate forum.

maybe its a debate worthy of the F S C

cokehead wrote:If you believe it is the point of viability outside the womb then the laws based on that persumtion make sense. I don't think I'm wise enough, I don't think anyone is wise enough to know the answer to just when an unborn child is worth protecting such as it can be done by a law. My heart says protect them all but I am one voice. One voice does not change laws. Maybe, just maybe I can change the heart of another person.

I believe life begins at conception. a an unborn child should be protected by laws. to kill a fetus is murder in my eyes.

how could anyone say a fetus inst a human life. they have finger and toes, a nose, a beating heart etc ... just because they arent outside of the womb means they arent human?? i dont buy that. why would someone be convicted of a double murder or homicide when they kill a pregnant mother. must be because the unborn child counts as a human life.

all human life is precious, whether that is in the womb or outside of the womb.

I believe it should be a personal choice & left alone at that. Its already been heard in the court & it doesn`t change anyones personal belief so no matter what is done it really won`t change a thing. Some believe that any form of birth control is a sin, so does that mean that if you pratice a form of safe sex you are possibly aborting?

Supreme Court decisions are rarely overturned but it does happen. Plessy vs Ferguson was overturned by Brown vs. Board of Education. Those cases have nothing to do with abortion. I only cite them as evidence that Supreme Court decisions have been overturned.