Will the truth become public?

Re: Will the truth become public?

PostBy: stockingfull On: Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:49 pm

ErikLaurence wrote:
Poconoeagle wrote:Since there was no doubt where Ronnie or Jimmy or George was from due
to thier home town being behind them there was no intial need for them to
show and tell althogh I am sure they would immediatly do so if asked


There's no doubt where Obama is from either.

Or John McCain. Born in Panama.
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Re: Will the truth become public?

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:34 pm

stockingfull wrote:
ErikLaurence wrote:
Poconoeagle wrote:Since there was no doubt where Ronnie or Jimmy or George was from due
to thier home town being behind them there was no intial need for them to
show and tell althogh I am sure they would immediatly do so if asked


There's no doubt where Obama is from either.

Or John McCain. Born in Panama.


Yet they had Congressional hearings on McCain's eligibility but not BHO's.

You might not have questions....but SOME people do. ;)
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Re: Will the truth become public?

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:43 pm

jpete wrote:
Yet they had Congressional hearings on McCain's eligibility but not BHO's.



Probably because John McCain was not actually born in the United States.

Nonetheless, like BHO, McCain has at least one parent who is a US citizen so he is a natural born citizen.
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Re: Will the truth become public?

PostBy: tvb On: Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:02 pm

jpete wrote:
Yet they had Congressional hearings on McCain's eligibility but not BHO's.

You might not have questions....but SOME people do. ;)


Claiming that there were Congressional hearings is rather disingenuous, dontchya think?

The Senate passed a non-binding resolution for McCain. To say there were hearings is lying. The original bill was sponsored by the Democratic Senator from Missouri, Claire McCaskill. Senator Barack Obama signed on as a co-sponsor. The bill itself never made it out of committee because it would have impacted other immigration issues unrelated to presidential eligibility. So, the non-binding SR511 resolution was quickly put together and passed pretty much without comment to make everyone feel better about themselves.

Here's the congressional record on it: http://frwebgate6.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bi ... n=retrieve

if the link doesn't work, you can pull up the congressional record for 2008 and search for Page S3645
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Re: Will the truth become public?

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:11 pm

interesting record.......I wonder where B Hussain O's "Hawaii certified it" paperwork is???


although again its not anything more than the fact he didnt man up. fess up. show it all.

pulling teeth for college records or birth cirtificates or any of a potential presidents history is a big red flag!!! it was wavied over with the black flag of "free at last"izm for votes without thought or research....imo ;)
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Re: Will the truth become public?

PostBy: tvb On: Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:14 pm

Write your congress critter and ask them to pass a resolution or something. Let us know if you get any response. Or maybe you think they are all in on the "conspiracy"?
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Re: Will the truth become public?

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:23 pm

what? a conspiricy of the topic? truth?

how bout the truth on why the hub-bub.....bub? where r ur papers? and he said no!

how bout you answer that? instead of a glenn beck type response?
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Re: Will the truth become public?

PostBy: rberq On: Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:27 pm

jpete wrote:You might not have questions....but SOME people do. ;)

SOME people will be satisfied only when they are put in a time machine, taken back, and invited into the delivery room to watch BO being born.
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Re: Will the truth become public?

PostBy: tvb On: Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:29 pm

Poconoeagle wrote:what? a conspiricy of the topic? truth?

how bout the truth on why the hub-bub.....bub? where r ur papers? and he said no!

how bout you answer that? instead of a glenn beck type response?


Huh? I'm sorry but I have no clue what you are trying to say.
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Re: Will the truth become public?

PostBy: stockingfull On: Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:32 pm

tvb wrote:
jpete wrote:
Yet they had Congressional hearings on McCain's eligibility but not BHO's.

You might not have questions....but SOME people do. ;)


Claiming that there were Congressional hearings is rather disingenuous, dontchya think?

The Senate passed a non-binding resolution for McCain. To say there were hearings is lying. The original bill was sponsored by the Democratic Senator from Missouri, Claire McCaskill. Senator Barack Obama signed on as a co-sponsor. The bill itself never made it out of committee because it would have impacted other immigration issues unrelated to presidential eligibility. So, the non-binding SR511 resolution was quickly put together and passed pretty much without comment to make everyone feel better about themselves.

Here's the congressional record on it: http://frwebgate6.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bi ... n=retrieve

if the link doesn't work, you can pull up the congressional record for 2008 and search for Page S3645

Hilarious. Finding McCain eligible required just the kind of "expansive" interpretation of the Constitution that Republican "textualists"/"originalists"/"strict constructionists" usually scream about. :lol: Had it been necessary for Obama, I wonder which Republican would have taken Pat Leahy's place and sponsored something similar.... :roll:
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Re: Will the truth become public?

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:37 am

I always thought that the child of an American citizen became one. The same way as the marriage to an American citizen opened the way to becoming a citizen, thats why all the mail order brides & women wanting to marry American soldiers was so popular. Why wasn`t there a big fuss when both Bush & Cheney were both resideing in the same state, just because Cheney all of a sudden claimed he lived in another where he had property but he continued to live in Texas.
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Re: Will the truth become public?

PostBy: wlape3 On: Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:32 pm

samhill wrote:I always thought that the child of an American citizen became one. The same way as the marriage to an American citizen opened the way to becoming a citizen, thats why all the mail order brides & women wanting to marry American soldiers was so popular. Why wasn`t there a big fuss when both Bush & Cheney were both resideing in the same state, just because Cheney all of a sudden claimed he lived in another where he had property but he continued to live in Texas.


I think the way it actually goes is a child is a citizen of the US so long as at least one of the parents is a citizen at the time of birth. However, I do not believe this makes them a "native born" citizen since the child may have been born in another country. I also believe some leeway exists for children of diplomats and other people (service men and women) serving their country overseas.
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Re: Will the truth become public?

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:43 pm

wlape3 wrote:
I think the way it actually goes is a child is a citizen of the US so long as at least one of the parents is a citizen at the time of birth. However, I do not believe this makes them a "native born" citizen since the child may have been born in another country. I also believe some leeway exists for children of diplomats and other people (service men and women) serving their country overseas.



Native born as opposed to naturalized. Native born is conferred by either jus soli (by soil) or jus sanguinis (by blood).

Both McCain and Obama are natural born via jus sanguinis.

The constitution does not define this well at all.
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Re: Will the truth become public?

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:51 pm

rberq wrote:
jpete wrote:You might not have questions....but SOME people do. ;)

SOME people will be satisfied only when they are put in a time machine, taken back, and invited into the delivery room to watch BO being born.


You're right.

Myself?

I'd like to see the long form. ;)
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Re: Will the truth become public?

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:55 pm

samhill wrote:I always thought that the child of an American citizen became one. The same way as the marriage to an American citizen opened the way to becoming a citizen, thats why all the mail order brides & women wanting to marry American soldiers was so popular.


Depends on where the child was born

From the State Department website:

The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a citizen of two countries at the same time. Each country has its own citizenship laws based on its own policy.Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may be both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the country of birth.


http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_t ... _1753.html
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