170 Hot Blast US Stove Circa 1940 Speculation/Opinions

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Post by rootsxrocks » Tue. Dec. 08, 2009 9:09 pm

Hello I just found your forum and from the threads I have read I feel confident someone here can tell me about this stove.
Thank you in advance

I came across this Stove a friend had just bought, and I thought it was pretty cool so I offered him his money back and a little boot trade.

Now Im trying to figure out how it was suposed to be used. I can't find any reference on the internet.

regardless of its condition, I will make good use of it as an outdoor wood stove that will last a hell of a lot longer than those clay Chimeras. so my 40.00 is not wasted.

I am thinking it is suposed to be coal fueled, but I have never seen a coal burner so I could be wrong.

Knowing nothing about the stove I am guessing that it is suposed to be used to heat metal, and I might be able to use it as a Hobby forge.

the fellow I got it from had already had a friend braze the broken hinge on the door, I might try to clean up that wield and make it a bit prettier, but it also has some areas around the cast pieces were they join the body of the stove that need to be filled. and brass would do the job nicely. I don't think disassemble would be wise.

as you will see in the pictures the firebrick is pretty cracked , I was thinking that I might be able to coat the inside with some refractory paste. However I am at a complete loss as to the function of the little cone in the top.

My wild guess is that there is a missing piece that has broken. perhaps a bell like piece that focuses the heat into the eye so you have a torch on top.

but I am unsure of how the main flue would be vented from such a bell. perhaps some sort of vents that created a spiral draft??

so what I would like to use it for is to burn scrap from my shop and possibly to forge or experiment with extracting metal from ore and other hot dangerous frivolous play.
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What the heck is this and how is it used ?
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so would wool and foundry paste work in here Of couse I would have to keep wood from breaking it
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Post by rootsxrocks » Wed. Dec. 09, 2009 1:17 pm

Im gonna bump this just this once, but I have to go out of town, My Grandson is having Heart surgery in the morning. I do hope someone has a clue, or can point me in the right direction.

 
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Post by New To Coal » Wed. Dec. 09, 2009 9:19 pm

I have a newer version of that stove. It is a coal fired unit. The doors and grate system haven't changed much at all. I use mine to heat my home for two years now. I do not know what that tube is. No idea. But I have a similar setup on an old Estate Heatrola that I picked up. Now we both want to know.

 
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Post by rootsxrocks » Fri. Dec. 11, 2009 2:03 am

Well Thank goodness, I got one responce on anvilfire
No that is not something to heat or smelt metals in it is a stove used to warm fairly largish rooms like a train depot waiting room. The place on top is so you can heat your coffeepot faster.

It would make a poor forge or bloomery and a great smithy warming stove.

Thomas
The coffee pot remark makes no sense to me, surely that would be to hot for a pot, and if it was for a large station, why would it have a coffee pot on it.

besides what purpose would the ceramic insert play in a burner.

the peculiar thing about this is the cover does not seal the hole I don't think its being closed or open would make a lot of temp difference

When the fire is roaring that little hole makes a flame that is very torch like in apearence.

so Now we both have it out there thanks for the Bump


 
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Post by rootsxrocks » Fri. Dec. 11, 2009 2:05 am

New To Coal wrote:I have a newer version of that stove. It is a coal fired unit. The doors and grate system haven't changed much at all. I use mine to heat my home for two years now. I do not know what that tube is. No idea. But I have a similar setup on an old Estate Heatrola that I picked up. Now we both want to know.
would you mind taking a picture and any specs on that, perhaps there is some cross documentation we can reason out.

 
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Post by wsherrick » Fri. Dec. 11, 2009 9:48 pm

Stoves like this were once very common in the South most people in the South burn or burned soft coal. I know we did as well as everybody else that used coal. This stove is designed to burn Bitumenous Coal. There were many different companies that made stoves designed like this.
To answer your questions. The little hole in the top of the stove is to provide a measured amount of secondary air to burn off the hydrocarbons. There can be no other explaination for it. I don't see a damper in the upper door for secondary air, which it must have for soft coal. What I can't see is if there is some sort of spreader ring or attachment that once was attached to the pipe coming down from the opening. My Glenwood has tiny holes for secondary air in the front which lead to a perferated ring to provide an even rate of secondary air around the whole fire pot. Perhaps there was no attachment for it. It should do its job the way it is.
Most large soft coal burners such as this stove, Warm Morning, etc. have firebrick lining to prevent the sheet steel barrel from overheating and to provide a heat sink to cook out hydrocarbons during the burning process. The brick also allows a much more even radiation of heat from the stove.
This will be an excellent HEATER for whatever space you want to heat with it. I wouldn't recommend trying to melt stuff in it.
Clean it up, paint it and it will look like a different animal.

 
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Post by rootsxrocks » Sat. Dec. 12, 2009 1:13 pm

Thank you that helps a lot, and makes sence I think, but Im speculating that it is not so much to allow air in but to allow the gas to escape and be used. as when I start a fire in it the gasses that will ignite coming out of this hole make a flame that looks like it is designed that way.
Perhaps the coffee pot coment was right, as these gases would make a hotter burner on the top when the stove was first lit but would dininish after a while ????

I can't really tell wither this is broken melted or both. But it is split so it can be inserted half at a time.
Ill go look up more on it..

is it better to paint or to use bluing?
this will likley stay outdoor,

any benifit to using refracty paste on the cracked bricks? I already have it, I don't think I would buy it for this purpose.

in fact Im starting to get an Idea to enclose this thing with mortar like an outdoor oven were I could Direct the heat into my water system for frost protection. hmmmm Image

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