What is a Democrat?

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Re: What is a Democrat?

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:08 am

I`m sorry for not posting. I`ve tried a few rather long posts(for me) & for some reason they don`t show up, I must be doing something wrong but some of my other posts are ok. Anyway, trying to fill in the gaps I said that when I turned Dem. from Rep. I had my reasons but there was no oath to take & no secret handshake to learn. What either party believes doesn`t matter, what they say their objectives are don`t matter. They are both parties of liers & if another party is viable if not from the offset it would soon become a party of liers. One of the greatest liberties we have IMO is being able to vote for who ever you want the party doesn`t matter. I certainly never said in any of my posts that I thought myself superior & if so I`m sorry, didn`t mean to ever even imply that. I`m not good with words nor computer skills, just mudder along as best I can. IMO humble as it is I think most states are in deep dodo & its all of our faults collectively, very few Americans live with-in their means, we went from have & have-nots to a nation of wants & not to be denied. People no longer take responseability for the actions they take its always anothers fault, Gov. or someone in it comes up with a good idea & then its complicated beyond comprehension. Blame for debt are put on others, the obvious is hidden because it would be unpopular & lose votes. No one wants to earn a living just want a paycheck. As far as Gov. getting bigger & driving jobs overseas I think business has more than proven that they won`t govern themselves & the jobs are gone because of greed. As for the welfare I can only agree it should be there for a period of time to help over bad times but short periods not generations, but that wouldn`t get votes. Schools I don`t even want to get into they are so far out of hand & have been allowed to get so powerful I just can`t believe its been allowed to happen. As I`ve said in other posts the greed factor has to be addressed as does the idiot factor(like being able to sue for being burnt by a cup of hot coffee). I`ll go for more later my finger is getting tired. My first attempt at summiting this was invalid maybe thats whats been happening, I`ll pay more attention from now on.
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Re: What is a Democrat?

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:37 pm

SAmhill I too have had problems with submitting a long and lengthy reply and the whole message would be wiped out. What I started doing is writting my replies in my notepads or wordpads then I copy and paste so I don't loose my thoughts. Sometimes it's as easy as just hitting the submit button again but others I would just copy and paste and submit and it would be fine.
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Re: What is a Democrat?

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:46 pm

A long time ago my dad once told me that, One party wants to have a lot of tax dollars so they can spend a lot of tax dollars, The other party wants to cut taxes and cut spending so people can make there own choices. I forget which one was which but at this point that seems mute. We the people should be voting on all spending at this point with as much spending is going on and as much tax money is being goatherd. What did Barney Frank say that time when everything was going to *censored*, oh yes Americas banking system is sound the American pocket is deep, something like that (damn bastard) (damn banks should of been left to fail just like we are being left to fail, damn bastards)
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Re: What is a Democrat?

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:37 pm

tvb wrote:
samhill wrote: Do you really think that being a republican is right & all others are wrong?


Isn't that the American way? Think about it - how many religions say you must belief in their set of theorems or else?


You mean like the "anthropogenic global warming" religion/fantasy/dogma?


and BTW, the "condensed western history" bit was an author unknown that has made the rounds in email for years. I didn't claim to have authored it, that's why I put it in quote.

I am very interested in knowing why you feel the need to call me a thief over such insignificance?
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Re: What is a Democrat?

PostBy: KLook On: Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:44 pm

Well samhill, we are not to far apart. But you call yourself a Dem. I don't know why still. The only thing I disagree with is that businesses are greedy. I can relate it best in this way.
A few years back, I was on the local Extension commitee. I was asked to serve as a liason to a regional business seminar that the Extension had put on for 3 or 4 years and it had been so successful that our wonderful govenor was goingto adopt it as his model for how to promote small business growth in rural Maine. HE latched on because it was a success and the gov. never had any success trying to do the same thing. At any rate in my first meeting, immediately a young, liberal, environmentalist, college educated peace corp(South Africa) girl, wanted to ram her idea of the "theme" for the coming years event to be "A Living Wage". She and the head of the business commitee from the U of Maine went back and forth and I finally asked what a "living wage" was defined as. After she told me, he ended the debate by looking her in the eye and saying, "We have spent the last 3 years teaching a variety of people how to start, run, streamline, market , etc, in order to make it in business. The bottom line is that if they don't make money, they will not be in business."
I now find references to the living wage thing in the books I am reading about Fascism. It was promoted my Mussolini, Hitler, and Lenin. It is a Socialist creed. The Democratic party, if I look at what they propose, represent the same things the early socialist wanted. Nothing has changed in 100 years except that we are closer to losing our individual liberties to attain damn little security and the kicker is they are spending our money to bribe us! (See the 1.1 trillion dollar bill passed today.)
Back to the greed thing. If you don't compete, you go out of business. Period.
Blame the gov. for moving us into a world economy where we cannot control the slavery to produce things. Blame unions for wanting to take more and more profit away from business. Blame environmental laws that cripple the ability to manufacture anything. Blame lawyers for frivulous lawsuits. Blame insurance companies for raping everyone. (See lawyers) Blame our own gov. for taxing the snot out of anyone trying to run a business. But why blame someone willing to invest money, hire people(headaches), and all the other things that go with running your own business, IF YOU DON"T MAKE MONEY? I tried it and went back to being self employed.

Kevin
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Re: What is a Democrat?

PostBy: KLook On: Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:46 pm

Yes Mike, I got that e-mail a few years ago also. Still love it though!

Kevin
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Re: What is a Democrat?

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:52 pm

The reason I switched to a Dem. is because of what I feel the hero of the Rep.s Ronnie Ray Guns did to ruin this country, being from the rust-belt it became personal to me. And theres nothing wrong with making a profit, never said there was. Small business needs to grow, no problem they struggle just as most do. Its the ultra greedy ones that sold our jobs over-seas not because of taxes like they profess but because of being able to keep profits in off shore banks. Ronnie did more to create super wealth than any other unless more dirt comes out about this last group, they did uncover like 22 million e-mails that were thought lost & al still looking. The reps wrote a lot of checks that are all coming due now, its easy to do things & worry about funding later even if its hireing mercenaries to fight your war. Where in history has this country ever done that or to give a co. that you are on the payroll of a no-bid contract. But getting back to the dem. thing whats the difference what label you wear, it doesn`t dictate how I think or act. I do that on my own (not always well) but at least I try & learn from self made mistakes I don`t have to follow anybody elses doctrine I`m American.
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Re: What is a Democrat?

PostBy: KLook On: Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:22 pm

So our personal experiences make us dislike different segments of the political spectrum. I however will not support either party by registring as one. And yes, that means I cannot vote in the primaries. You mention one president that shifted spending to cronies. Do you not think that every president since our country started did the same thing? To achieve the presidency, you must wrangle, negotiate, lie, promise, lie some more, and cut deals. The current GW "crisis" is shifting the emphasise on spending and political power. It has been done before with other things providing the motivation. LIke war. The enemy.

Kevin
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