The sooner the better....

The sooner the better....

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:58 pm

The president said that the costs of Medicare and Medicaid are on an “unsustainable” trajectory and if there is no action taken to bring them down, “the federal government will go bankrupt.”


http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2 ... eigned-in/

The H.C. bill is all about your wallet. This is why (if passed) the H.C. taxes would be immediate and the projected "benefits" not scheduled to be dispersed until 2014.

It's a tax bill to service the debt.
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Re: The sooner the better....

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:07 pm

So whats the solution to the problem?
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Re: The sooner the better....

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:26 pm

This is my solution.
1st. Cut the salaries of government employees to a more normal level to the rest of the working class of the United States. (This could be done the same way that they do for teachers, do a good job get paid, do a bad job and get paid less or fired.)
2nd. Every United States citizen gets the same health care benefit as the legislators, and pays the same as a legislator. (There as dumb as the rest of us why are they getting better perks than we are.)
3rd. Sign the waiver for no resuscitation. What do you really want to live old and feeble? go to a nursing home and look at the future and the money it takes to live in that future. There is nothing and I mean nothing good about getting so old you can't even fart without help.
4th. All rules apply to everyone the same there are no special rules for a banker or a senator or anyone else.

Moses came down with 10 rules, and nobody can do just one. Treat everyone the way you want to be treated. I don't see why a government employee gets preferential treatment over another American and if thats the case then all Americans should have to hold a Government office once in there life so they get the same benefits.

(I think I not only balanced the budget but paid back China all we owe them.)
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Re: The sooner the better....

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:59 pm

The H.C. debate has been beaten to death here before, I am more focused on the root of why it is being pitched to the public that it has to be passed immediately.

Health insurance is not a right, it's a privilege.

H.C. taxation is a requirement in order to feed the Leviathan.
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Re: The sooner the better....

PostBy: av8r On: Wed Dec 16, 2009 8:20 pm

jeromemsn wrote:This is my solution.
1st. Cut the salaries of government employees to a more normal level to the rest of the working class of the United States. (This could be done the same way that they do for teachers, do a good job get paid, do a bad job and get paid less or fired.)
2nd. Every United States citizen gets the same health care benefit as the legislators, and pays the same as a legislator. (There as dumb as the rest of us why are they getting better perks than we are.)
3rd. Sign the waiver for no resuscitation. What do you really want to live old and feeble? go to a nursing home and look at the future and the money it takes to live in that future. There is nothing and I mean nothing good about getting so old you can't even fart without help.
4th. All rules apply to everyone the same there are no special rules for a banker or a senator or anyone else.

Moses came down with 10 rules, and nobody can do just one. Treat everyone the way you want to be treated. I don't see why a government employee gets preferential treatment over another American and if thats the case then all Americans should have to hold a Government office once in there life so they get the same benefits.

(I think I not only balanced the budget but paid back China all we owe them.)


In what world do teachers get paid based on merit? Ever hear of Tenure?

I'm a government employee and my corporate counterparts make about 40% more than I do...doing the exact same job, but with more help.

I agree that when the congressmen, senators, etc have to live with similar compensation, health care, etc as the people they represent, they will start to represent us a little better. Shorter terms, very heavy handed restrictions on who can donate money and for what (lobbying) among other things will be a small beginning in bringing things back inline in the US. I fear I shall never see it.
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Re: The sooner the better....

PostBy: BillMarti On: Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:31 pm

I think everybody in congress should be prosecuted because they ok'ed this debt and they are solely responsible for this crime against the people.
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Re: The sooner the better....

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:25 am

av8r if you read what I had to say it clearly does not say that you need to take a pay cut if you are paid less than another American Citizen doing the same job. It says if your getting more than a normal American then yes you need to get a pay cut because we the people just can't afford to pay more than a normal wage for normal work. If we could then we would never buy anything from another country that could make it for less. We would just pay the high prices that we charge for stuff we make here.
No if your under paid and the perks don't match up to the private sector, wow I don't know what to say.
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Re: The sooner the better....

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:03 am

Black_and_Blue, what are we going to do?

I guess your health care cost have not sky rocketed over the last several years. Mine have. For nearly 20 years hardly a move. then in 5 years it doubled. In 3 years it doubled again. Company switching policies sometimes 3 times a year. Company says well need more to pay for your insurance coverage, higher deductible. They pay less per incident. Used to be if I lost a finger at work I would of been paid 10 grand, now thats down to 3 grand,no I still have all mine, there worth a lot more than that to me.
Everything is going up, up, up. Benefits are going down, down, down. Insurance companies are big money and so are there top management because they are cutting benefits.
Now most seem to think that a new player in town would be a bad idea, well I don't. I think a new player would be great. Competition I thought that is what America was all about.
Now where is all this cash coming from to stop this new insurance company? if there is that much money around to spend on stopping a new player seems like we are paying way to much for our coverage because as I said our coverage has gone down while the price we pay for it has gone up.
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Re: The sooner the better....

PostBy: Freddy On: Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:35 am

jeromemsn wrote:I guess your health care cost have not sky rocketed


Our health insurance starting Jan first 2010: Either go from $10,400 a year to $45,400 and no longer cover prescriptions, or, stay about $10,000 and change from a $500 deductible and $2,000 out of pocket to $5,000 deductible and $10,000 out of pocket....both of which are per person, so basically our insurance was ten grand a year and it just went up ten grand a year. Yes, we can afford it, for now, but, we are never allowed to retire? We are never again allowed to buy a newer used car? Go on vacation? It's insane that insurance is 30% of health care cost.
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Re: The sooner the better....

PostBy: whistlenut On: Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:44 am

Gettin' so you can't afford to be alive past 40 years old.
Ever hear of a pharmaceutical going belly up? ....unless it as on purpose.
Bought any Lipitor lately? Forget cash cow! CASH HERD!
Stoker Scott bought stock in Pfizer....one little blue pill at a time! 10K a year...Scotty, you ole dawg! :!: :!:
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Re: The sooner the better....

PostBy: topper On: Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:11 am

we must figure out a way (reasonable or otherwise) to control health care costs - if we don't figure that out all other health care issues are secondary.
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Re: The sooner the better....

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:24 am

topper wrote:we must figure out a way (reasonable or otherwise) to control health care costs - if we don't figure that out all other health care issues are secondary.


Tort reform.
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Re: The sooner the better....

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:25 am

Double post.

Other cost reforms impede on individual freedoms. Examples, forcing doctors to work in certain areas for certain amount of compensation and/or forcing corporations to manufacture a product at a certain % above actual cost.

Goodwill and charity is a virtuous and the true form of liberty, forcing your fellow man to provide his/her labor for items outside the scope of the Constitution is not.

Freedom or Tyranny, it is really that simple. To continue down this path will lead to a tyrannical government with absolute control over your existance. It is the path since antiquity.

Otherwise, how about you live your life and I'll live mine, we'll meet again on the other side?
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Re: The sooner the better....

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:43 am

Why is it we pay the most for health care but don`t have any where near the longest lifespan, than any other developed country & we pay the most by far for drugs? Knowing all this why is it that the house & senate are striving to keep the companies that are rapeing us in business? I`m not the most world savey person but I believe theres a definite pattern here.
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Re: The sooner the better....

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:51 am

Black_And_Blue wrote:
topper wrote:we must figure out a way (reasonable or otherwise) to control health care costs - if we don't figure that out all other health care issues are secondary.


Tort reform.


I'm all in favor of tort reform but medical malpractice tort costs were $30.4 billion in 2007. We have a more than a $2 trillion health care system.

Let's say all of those malpractice torts were false (unlikely, hospitals do screw up). You're not going to fix healthcare by cutting costs 1.5%
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