Have the Democrats Lost their Minds? Senate Vote Passes

Have the Democrats Lost their Minds? Senate Vote Passes

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:04 am

This is procedural vote that ends debate and opens the doors for the voting on it. I ask this question in all sincerity because there is very few people that like or agree with this bill. It is not health care reform if the CBO and HHS estimates are accurate. It does nothing to address the fundamental issues with health care which are the escalating costs. The people paying into the system and supporting it could in fact end up paying more... WTF?

Add to that they had to practically bribe two Senators to get the 60 votes offering Nebraska and Louisiana sweet heart deals.... What a joke, the saddest part is they have chance to do something just about anyone in this country would support which is health care reform. Dumbasses...



http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20091221-701206.html
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WASHINGTON (Dow Jones)--The U.S. Senate voted to advance health-care legislation in an initial procedural vote early Monday, beginning a process that puts the bill on track for passage later this week.

In a 60-40 vote, Democrats won approval for a motion that limits debate on the $871 billion bill, which is the product of months of painstaking negotiations. No Republicans voted in favor of the motion.

The vote, which became something of a foregone conclusion when Sen. Ben Nelson, (D., Neb.) announced support for the bill Saturday....


....Nelson negotiated changes that would exempt Nebraska insurance company Mutual of Omaha's supplemental Medicare plan from a tax on insurers in the bill and a provision ensuring that Nebraska would not have to foot the cost for any new Medicaid enrollees from an expansion in the program proposed in the bill....
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Re: Have the Democrats Lost their Minds? Senate Vote Passes

PostBy: whistlenut On: Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:08 am

:wtf: nuff said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Have the Democrats Lost their Minds? Senate Vote Passes

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:22 pm

Whats health care have to do with anything now, its showing who has the most power. When the Rep.s were in power it was the same only now its gotten a lot worse, the Reps. came out & said they wouldn`t vote for anything for this Pres. & so far only 1 voted for anything once. If you believe either party is there for anyone or anything but their own interest your in for a dissapointment.
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Re: Have the Democrats Lost their Minds? Senate Vote Passes

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:35 pm

Richard S. wrote:This is procedural vote that ends debate and opens the doors for the voting on it. I ask this question in all sincerity because there is very few people that like or agree with this bill. It is not health care reform if the CBO and HHS estimates are accurate. It does nothing to address the fundamental issues with health care which are the escalating costs. The people paying into the system and supporting it could in fact end up paying more... WTF?

Add to that they had to practically bribe two Senators to get the 60 votes offering Nebraska and Louisiana sweet heart deals.... What a joke, the saddest part is they have chance to do something just about anyone in this country would support which is health care reform. Dumbasses...



http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20091221-701206.html
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.


WASHINGTON (Dow Jones)--The U.S. Senate voted to advance health-care legislation in an initial procedural vote early Monday, beginning a process that puts the bill on track for passage later this week.

In a 60-40 vote, Democrats won approval for a motion that limits debate on the $871 billion bill, which is the product of months of painstaking negotiations. No Republicans voted in favor of the motion.

The vote, which became something of a foregone conclusion when Sen. Ben Nelson, (D., Neb.) announced support for the bill Saturday....


....Nelson negotiated changes that would exempt Nebraska insurance company Mutual of Omaha's supplemental Medicare plan from a tax on insurers in the bill and a provision ensuring that Nebraska would not have to foot the cost for any new Medicaid enrollees from an expansion in the program proposed in the bill....


The dems are gushing about being a part of "historic legislation". They're egomaniacs. They don't care about health care. It has never been about health care. It's about shoving their socialism down our throats. Health care quality and availability will suffer and costs will go up. Those who have more will soon have less in order to cover the 10% of the population that doesn't have the coverage (yet does get service now when they need it).

Nothing was broken....that is, until the dems got a hold of it.
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Re: Have the Democrats Lost their Minds? Senate Vote Passes

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:44 pm

I can`t believe that you said that nothing was broken, it was said by both sides before the election. Will this be a fix, heck no but its a start. As a news flash both parties are full of egomaniacs, party has nothing to do with that.
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Re: Have the Democrats Lost their Minds? Senate Vote Passes

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Dec 21, 2009 1:03 pm

samhill wrote:Will this be a fix, heck no but its a start.


I'll repeat, if the CBO and HHS estimates are correct this wil do nothing to offset costs and could possibly increase them. One thing to keep in mind is that is based on projected costs not on what it costs you now. Health care premiums will continue to rise. What we're doing is adding the uninsured, who is going to pay for that? The answer of course is people paying into the system now that can't afford their own rate increases?
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Re: Have the Democrats Lost their Minds? Senate Vote Passes

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Mon Dec 21, 2009 2:13 pm

It still has a way to go to actually become a bill. It has to go to committee to resolve the differences between the House and Senate. When these morons go home for Christmas, their constituents will detail what will happen to them if they pass it.
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Re: Have the Democrats Lost their Minds? Senate Vote Passes

PostBy: spc On: Mon Dec 21, 2009 2:24 pm

Wall St. thinks this is a great bill for the big BAD health insurance companies.

"Following the vote, the Morgan Stanley Health Payor index (.HMO) climbed 2.5 percent while insurer Aetna Inc (AET.N) added 4.1 percent to $33.85."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091221/bs_nm/us_markets_stocks
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Re: Have the Democrats Lost their Minds? Senate Vote Passes

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Dec 21, 2009 2:25 pm

The insurance system we have now doesn`t pay a dime toward the uninsured the tax payer foots the bill, always have & probably always will. I don`t know what kind of health ins. everyone else has but I know mine goes up every year even as what is covered goes down while the deductable goes up. I`m one of the lucky ones, I`m covered for free(so far) with my pension but I`m paying just under $500/mo for my wife & I pay the first $1,000 for each of us before anything even starts to be covered with my co-payment. On average it nearly doubles every year. The ins. co.s are crying but are spending around a million a day to fight reform, where do you think they get all that money, not from the taxes directly but from our ins. premiums so they are going up for that as well the ins. execs aren`t gonna take a bonus cut to cover it.
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Re: Have the Democrats Lost their Minds? Senate Vote Passes

PostBy: SMITTY On: Mon Dec 21, 2009 2:32 pm

Start stockpiling all your necessary medications now. Then when they ram this bill down our throats, we can stick it right up their asses by cancelling our health insurance. If most of the country stuck together & did this, we would get the reform we need .... AND FAST! :idea:
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Re: Have the Democrats Lost their Minds? Senate Vote Passes

PostBy: Cap On: Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:49 pm

I cannot believe what I heard harry Reid say today. Something along the lines that ( paraphrasing ) if a particular senator didn't get his pet project included into this bill.... indicating that that particular senator is not doing his job....

Basically saying that compromise meant agreeing to give billions of tax payer money for pet projects in order to get the 60 votes. This makes me sick. I am fed up. Obama said he would stop this stuff. All lies.

Maybe I am beginning to understand DC politics. Congressmen & senators create bogus bills in order to slip in pork so they can stay in power. They all should be hung in public.
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Re: Have the Democrats Lost their Minds? Senate Vote Passes

PostBy: cokehead On: Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:57 pm

I saw the Reid clip also. I can't believe how unprincipled many of our Senators and Representives are. The way they make "legislation" makes me furious! :mad: I can't wait til the next election.
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Re: Have the Democrats Lost their Minds? Senate Vote Passes

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:35 pm

They paid $500 million for that 60th vote. In business, that would be called a bribe.
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Re: Have the Democrats Lost their Minds? Senate Vote Passes

PostBy: Freddy On: Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:42 am

coaledsweat wrote:They paid $500 million for that 60th vote.


I heard $300 million.... still.....makes you sick. And that was only for Nebraska....there's a few other states that are getting similar "deals".
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Re: Have the Democrats Lost their Minds? Senate Vote Passes

PostBy: topper On: Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:28 am

a good example that shows - no matter what camp you are in - our "system" is failing us...
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