Saey 92 wont stay lit with doors closed.

Re: Saey 92 wont stay lit with doors closed.

PostBy: dellafiora09 On: Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:50 pm

No I didn't get that. that would be great in you can scan that for me. Thank you

Also, you said to keep that piece (4inch by 6inch) inplace on the stove? When I left it and I tried to light the stove it smokes all over the place. Fills the room up with smoke.
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Re: Saey 92 wont stay lit with doors closed.

PostBy: BigSven On: Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:06 pm

Yeah leave that plate in place. You only remove that to cleanout ashes after its shutdown.

Smoke when you first light it? That sounds like lack of draft. Try opening a window nearby to help the chimney draft better.

I'll try to get the instructions posted later tonight.
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Re: Saey 92 wont stay lit with doors closed.

PostBy: RMA On: Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:09 pm

dellafiora09 wrote:All vents were open. on the stove.


There appear to be VENTS at the TOP of the STOVE at the front.
If they provide air to the firebox THEY MUST BE CLOSED.
Are these vents closed?
The only air permitted to enter the stove must come from below the coal bed.


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Re: Saey 92 wont stay lit with doors closed.

PostBy: dellafiora09 On: Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:12 pm

Ok thank you.

Yes, the stove smokes bad when that piece is in place. (I never had a problem when I was using my old Comfort wood stove, meaning draft and all seemed fine) Would this Saey 92 coal/wood need something different for the draft? My first time trying to use it. Just purchased this over the weekend.

The other day I had to put a piece of newspaper in the chimney pipe to get it going. Seemed like i was getting a air coming back in. Once i lit the newspaper it was good. However, once i placed that piece back into the stove it seemed to have died out.

What do I need to do to check the draft?
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Re: Saey 92 wont stay lit with doors closed.

PostBy: dellafiora09 On: Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:13 pm

Hey Bob,

Yes, at first I had those open. but the stove would then smoke. I have closed them at this time.
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Re: Saey 92 wont stay lit with doors closed.

PostBy: dellafiora09 On: Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:28 pm

Hello All,

I have added the Baro Damper to the stove pipe. Still having major issues starting this stove. I will post pictures of the set up and Please any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

I'm getting alot of smoke when I first start the stove. and it seems to just die out when i'm trying to get a good wood fire going before i add coal.
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Re: Saey 92 wont stay lit with doors closed.

PostBy: dellafiora09 On: Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:42 pm

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Re: Saey 92 wont stay lit with doors closed.

PostBy: LsFarm On: Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:58 pm

Having to have a lot of heat to generate a draft makes me think you have either an obstructed chimney or a very tight house.

Is your house really sealed well? you could try opening a window in the room that the stove resides in, to provide some outside air to feed the fire. Did you have the chimney inspected to make sure there are no obstructions, bird nests, dead racoons etc ?? Is there a cap on the chimney? If so, have you looked at it to see if it is not clogged??

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Re: Saey 92 wont stay lit with doors closed.

PostBy: RMA On: Fri Dec 25, 2009 1:24 pm

The *Immediate" diagnostic is a Manometer to measure draft, but you don't seem to have one installed so we won't dwell on that.
I have a " new to me" 25 year old Haas and Sohn stove, hearth mounted.
I first fired my stove last night, and everything went like clockwork. Before I lit the stove, and before I would light any fireplace, I check the draft by lighting a piece of newspaper to see there is some draft present.
On my top-loading stove, before I even tried lighting the newspaper, I checked draft by opening the top loading door holding an incense stick a few inches over the open door and watched as the smoke was drawn down into the stove. Then I did the newspaper thing...OK looks good (mind you, two days ago I could look up and see that the flue was clear, and it WAS a working fireplace.) I put my paper, kindling and charcoal in place then soon added coal (nut) to the hot bed...and "Bob's yer' Uncle" ...

My draft settled to .05" water on my Dwyer Manometer, with adjusted stove & baro-damper...Cake!

It all went as expected. Before hand, I had check out some of the variables, that others on the site had experienced, causing failure...Chimney and draft are number one. A tight stove is next. I tried to knock-out the common pitfalls before I lit anything [I would have hated to have to unload a stove full of half burnt coal]


SO
Draft? Check as able ...
Maybe close your manual damper, open your baro-damper by hand and see if smoke from a cigarette, cigar, smoky wick, incense stick or (what have you) might be drawn to the baro-damper opening... Rely simply on the pressure differential of room temperature air and outside air. (cool stove, obviously)
Then try the opening the manual damper and see if you can get draft from lighting paper in your stove, about one sheet at a time.


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Re: Saey 92 wont stay lit with doors closed.

PostBy: RMA On: Fri Dec 25, 2009 1:37 pm

BigSven wrote:
dellafiora09 wrote:Do you know if he has the piece in back of the inside of the firebox the 4inch x 6inch square piece out? or does he keep it on the stove. Its behind the hopper.


Yeah leave that in place. I have the same stove (similar model) and when I first light the fire, I leave the ash door open the whole time until the hopper is fully loaded. Takes about 2 hours to get it fully loaded after the first light.

Did you get the lighting instructions for this stove? Its separate from the manufacturers instructions and was written by the guys who import these from Germany. If you want, I can scan it for you.


I question this plate!!! It sounds like a plate that is used to restrict DRAFT in HIGH draft situation...which you apparently DO NOT HAVE...This plate might be used in SOME applications... I could be wrong, but that plate makes me very uneasy...

Bob
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Re: Saey 92 wont stay lit with doors closed.

PostBy: dellafiora09 On: Fri Dec 25, 2009 11:15 pm

hey everyone<

I finally got the stove up and running. The draft/pipes seemed to be the issue. I at this time have had the stove running all day long. Thank you all for your help.

However, the stove seems to just get to 250 degrees F. Does anyone have this stove or something similar. Is this normal? I got my wood stove up to 450 F and it was half the size.

I have the setting (thermostat adjusment) on the stove set to 6 to 8. Which as per the manual the stove should run hot.

Any info?
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Re: Saey 92 wont stay lit with doors closed.

PostBy: dellafiora09 On: Fri Dec 25, 2009 11:27 pm

I can't get the stove to get hotter than this... Is this normal?
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Re: Saey 92 wont stay lit with doors closed.

PostBy: smokeyCityTeacher On: Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:40 am

dellafiora09 wrote:I can't get the stove to get hotter than this... Is this normal?


Properly operated coals stoves don't have high stack temps. They put the heat into the house. Wood stoves on the other hand burn a lot hotter because they have to burn at close to 400 to consume the creosote and other gasses. If you run a wood stove at coal stove temps you are smoldering the wood and pouring creosote into the chimney.

If you run your coal stove full tilt you might get a 300 stack temp. If you run it a low burn you can see stack temps of 100-125 def. Some people even report lower temps at low burn.

Most stoves can burn at 150 deg and be putting out a lot of heat.

This why coal is more efficient - you don't have to put heat up the chimney to avoid creosote.
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Re: Saey 92 wont stay lit with doors closed.

PostBy: dellafiora09 On: Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:17 am

Thanks for the great info Smokeycityteacher... So it looks like my Coal stove is running the way it should?

Again that you all for your helpful info...
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