Saey 92 wont stay lit with doors closed.

Saey 92 wont stay lit with doors closed.

PostBy: dellafiora09 On: Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:53 am

Any suggetions as to why if I close all the doors on my Saey 92 the fire dies. (just purchased this stove) I have started the fire with wood. I get the wood fire going pretty good for about 20 mins or so. Once I close the doors even with the flu 100% to 75% open the fire dies down to nothing and in 1 hour it's completly done.

I had a coal fire last night for about 2 hours, however once I closed the doors even with the flu open it died.

Any suggestions as to what i'm doing wrong? I just purchased this coal/wood stove. Before this stove I had an old Comfort wood stove. No problems at all with draft or anything. Had it running for 3 1/2 hours on wood no problems before reloading.

Please help
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Re: Saey 92 wont stay lit with doors closed.

PostBy: WNY On: Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:57 am

Any vents under the grates (ash door, etc...) Coal needs air from under the grates/coal. Maybe post a pic of your setup.
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Re: Saey 92 wont stay lit with doors closed.

PostBy: dellafiora09 On: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:06 am

This is an unfinished room that will be completed this summer. Had to dig it out completely. So it looks pretty bad at the moment.
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Re: Saey 92 wont stay lit with doors closed.

PostBy: dellafiora09 On: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:07 am

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Re: Saey 92 wont stay lit with doors closed.

PostBy: dellafiora09 On: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:07 am

All vents were open. on the stove.
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PostBy: LsFarm On: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:17 am

There must be some form of controlable or adjustable air inlet in the ashpan door, or maybe on the back letting air in under the fire. Closing the ashpan door will make this air inlet the only source of air to the fire. If you need the door open to maintain a fire, then you have inadequate chimney draft. Do not have any air vents open on the loading doors of the stove, as WNY stated, all air to a coal fire must come from below and be pulled through the coal bed.

You mention having the flue 'open'. With a coal stove you should NOT close off the flue with a damper. Use a Barometric damper, do a search on the site for Baro or Barometric, you will find hours of reading. Using a manual flue damper is only an option with massive amounts of uncontrolable chimney draft, obviously this is not what you have.

Control your heat with air intake controls to the fire, leave the exhaust or flue pipe completely open..

Since you used to have a wood stove on this chimney, did you clean the chimney before installing the new stove?? You may have a blocked chimney..

Greg L

Moving this to the handfired forum
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Re: Saey 92 wont stay lit with doors closed.

PostBy: dellafiora09 On: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:37 am

hey thanks Greg.

Yes there is an air controller in back of the stove, and it was set to completely open. I also had all the vents at the top of the stove open at the time. I just bought Barometric damper and I will be installing it in the next couple days. (on a different topic, not sure if i should post this or just ask it here) Where is the best place to add the Barometric damper? I have seen some in all different places.
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Re: Saey 92 wont stay lit with doors closed.

PostBy: WNY On: Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:12 am

Baro Damper should be in the straight section, the Manual Damper should be closer to the stove (if you continue to use it) and between the stove and baro, not after the baro.

I would think the Top Vents should be closed for coal, only air from under.
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Re: Saey 92 wont stay lit with doors closed.

PostBy: dellafiora09 On: Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:53 am

Ok great. Thanks guys. I will try it again. see what happens.
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PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:11 pm

Are you using Pea sized coal? My buddy has the same brand stove, & he could not get a quality coal fire to burn until he switched to pea coal.

He has a lever on the right side ... I think he had it set on 3, if I remember correctly (for the air inlet).
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Re: Saey 92 wont stay lit with doors closed.

PostBy: dellafiora09 On: Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:54 pm

Yes i'm using Pea Coal.

Do you know if he has the piece in back of the inside of the firebox the 4inch x 6inch square piece out? or does he keep it on the stove. Its behind the hopper.
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Re: Saey 92 wont stay lit with doors closed.

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:55 pm

That I don't know ..... I will ask him & post back in while ....
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Re: Saey 92 wont stay lit with doors closed.

PostBy: dellafiora09 On: Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:01 pm

thank you.
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Re: Saey 92 wont stay lit with doors closed.

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:07 pm

No problem. He's busy on a job right now ... I'll post back when I get a chance to talk to him. Might be later tonight.
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Re: Saey 92 wont stay lit with doors closed.

PostBy: BigSven On: Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:33 pm

dellafiora09 wrote:Do you know if he has the piece in back of the inside of the firebox the 4inch x 6inch square piece out? or does he keep it on the stove. Its behind the hopper.


Yeah leave that in place. I have the same stove (similar model) and when I first light the fire, I leave the ash door open the whole time until the hopper is fully loaded. Takes about 2 hours to get it fully loaded after the first light.

Did you get the lighting instructions for this stove? Its separate from the manufacturers instructions and was written by the guys who import these from Germany. If you want, I can scan it for you.
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