American Arrogance

Re: American Arrogance

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sun Jan 24, 2010 10:19 pm

maybe tiger woods school of anatomy was where mr satoro went??
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Re: American Arrogance

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sun Jan 24, 2010 10:22 pm

He managed to do it in Russia.
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Re: American Arrogance

PostBy: stockingfull On: Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:40 pm

Poconoeagle wrote:"Since that time, all presidents have returned the salutes of military personnel, but saluting the flag has remained a mixed bag, with most Presidents holding their hand over their heart. "
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http://www.treppenwitz.com/2009/01/a-fi ... ibute.html

From the cited source:

But for most of us, it is ingrained from a very early age that being in civilian clothes means holding our hand over our hearts. Period. I remember that when I was in kindergarten and elementary school, we began every morning by reciting the pledge of allegiance. We would stand, face the flag hanging in the corner of the room, place our right hand over our hearts and recite in unison "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the Unites States of America, and to the republic for which it stands: one nation under G-d, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all".

In later grades the pledge of allegiance disappeared from the morning routine, but because we were attending sporting events, assemblies and the occasional parade, the playing of the national anthem sort of assumed the role that the POA had played in our patriotic consciousness.


Note that, in an article specifically studying the question in great detail -- and emphasizing the form of the salute -- the author stops conspicuously short of saying hands were over hearts for the Anthem.

Hats always came off and were placed over heart, but there simply was no direct parallel to the hand-over-heart symbol during the Pledge. And why would there be? The Pledge is like an oath. The Anthem, OTOH, is a song in honor of a famous battle, which contains no language of fealty comparable to the Pledge.
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Re: American Arrogance

PostBy: coalkirk On: Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:01 pm

stockingfull wrote:The Pledge is like an oath. The Anthem, OTOH, is a song in honor of a famous battle, which contains no language of fealty comparable to the Pledge.


Well then that should put all of this silliness to rest. We have a legal explanation of why it's ok for Obama to disrespect the country and it's anthem because there no language of fealty in the song. I knew there had to be a perfectly logical explanation for it. What still puzzles me though is why he put his hand over his heart in Russia? Maybe they have language of fealty in their anthem. Again, a perfectly logical explanation. :roll:
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Re: American Arrogance

PostBy: smokeyCityTeacher On: Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:51 pm

coalkirk wrote:He managed to do it in Russia.
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What song, pledge, ritual etc was playing, being recited etc at the time of this photo ?
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Re: American Arrogance

PostBy: stockingfull On: Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:09 pm

coalkirk wrote:Regan was the essence of patriotic.

Ronnie Ray-guns was a baboon.

When history is written, the beginning of the end of American prosperity will be traced to his foolhardy deficit spending, the beginning of "globalization" (another term for the Wall St casinos and saying to workers that the Chinese can have your job if they can do it cheaper) and his infamous and discredited "trickle-down," "voodoo" economics.

I know. I saw him cut the knees off of the U.S. shipbuilding and merchant marine industries with the virtual stroke of a pen when he killed the CDS and ODS subsidies which had kept them afloat since before WWII. Baltimore went from 3 active shipyards to one on life-support in the year and a half from his inauguration to the end of 1982. He will be remembered for converting our economy from one which made things to one which stopped trying to compete.

Here's a walk down memory lane for ya: Remember when Wal-Mart sold American-made stuff?

That people persist in lionizing this clown is delusional.
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Re: American Arrogance

PostBy: stockingfull On: Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:10 pm

smokeyCityTeacher wrote:
coalkirk wrote:He managed to do it in Russia.
obama salutes russian flag.jpg


What song, pledge, ritual etc was playing, being recited etc at the time of this photo ?

If you guys don't know, you shouldn't be posting or commenting on it.

I don't know, but I'll bet that our colors were being presented at the time.

Anybody care to take that bet? :P
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Re: American Arrogance

PostBy: franco b On: Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:49 pm

stockingfull wrote:When history is written, the beginning of the end of American prosperity will be traced to his foolhardy deficit spending, the beginning of "globalization" (another term for the Wall St casinos and saying to workers that the Chinese can have your job if they can do it cheaper) and his infamous and discredited "trickle-down," "voodoo" economics.


Yeah I remember the good old days of jimmy Carter. The pompous posturing manikin you worship is sure to fix all these things. Please keep your profane hands off Saint Ronald.
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Re: American Arrogance

PostBy: stockingfull On: Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:54 pm

mikeandgerry wrote:
stockingfull wrote:Hardly. You think Bush v. Gore and Citizens United are "conservative" or "literal" interpretations of the Constitution? :rofl:


You really really want to open up that debate again? The one where in the first round, Bush v Palm Beach SCOTUS was unanimous in their remand because the FSC was blatantly wrong, and in which they determined that the Feds had plenary power in a national election? That one?

Or did you mean the second round, Bush v Gore where they held in the 6-3 per curiam decision that Gore's desire to recount only the counties that were advantageous to him was a violation of the 14th amendment?

Mike, I meant that election law is a matter that, until Bush v. Gore, was right down "Federalist Main St," in that it was a classic "states' rights" issue, where, in the absence of a clear "textual" justification, "judicial restraint" required that the federal judiciary keep its "activist" hands off.

If I could have been inside just ONE SCOTUS case conference in all the time I've studied the law, that's the one I'd have wanted. No surprise that the December 12, 2000 per curiam opinion contained the infamous "limited to the present circumstances" phrase, since the otherwise-conservative Equal Protection Clause justices suddenly and inexplicably became liberal on applying that clause -- but only for one case. :roll:

Here's a little primer for ya:
http://www.gumbopages.com/fridge/supremes.html

Now, with Citizens United unloosing corporate bucks on elections, the real Trojan Horse has been revealed: the "conservative bloc" isn't conservative at all; it's a group of Constitutional saboteurs there to hijack the system and perpetuate the rule of the moneyed class in this country.

Never again will the term "activist judges" stick to lefties concerned with picayune things like a woman's right to privacy.
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Re: American Arrogance

PostBy: stockingfull On: Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:58 pm

franco b wrote:... Please keep your profane hands off Saint Ronald.

:rofl:

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Re: American Arrogance

PostBy: SMITTY On: Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:03 pm

:rofl:
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Re: American Arrogance

PostBy: franco b On: Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:05 pm

stockingfull wrote:
franco b wrote:... Please keep your profane hands off Saint Ronald.

:rofl:

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Much better, he loved animals.
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Re: American Arrogance

PostBy: stockingfull On: Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:55 pm

:rofl:
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Re: American Arrogance

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:12 pm

stockingfull wrote:
Mike, I meant that election law is a matter that, until Bush v. Gore, was right down "Federalist Main St," in that it was a classic "states' rights" issue, where, in the absence of a clear "textual" justification, "judicial restraint" required that the federal judiciary keep its "activist" hands off.

If I could have been inside just ONE SCOTUS case conference in all the time I've studied the law, that's the one I'd have wanted. No surprise that the December 12, 2000 per curiam opinion contained the infamous "limited to the present circumstances" phrase, since the otherwise-conservative Equal Protection Clause justices suddenly and inexplicably became liberal on applying that clause -- but only for one case. :roll:

Here's a little primer for ya:
http://www.gumbopages.com/fridge/supremes.html

Now, with Citizens United unloosing corporate bucks on elections, the real Trojan Horse has been revealed: the "conservative bloc" isn't conservative at all; it's a group of Constitutional saboteurs there to hijack the system and perpetuate the rule of the moneyed class in this country.

Never again will the term "activist judges" stick to lefties concerned with picayune things like a woman's right to privacy.


It was never a classic states right issue. It was and always has been a classic federal issue. Quite simply the feds have plenary power in a federal election. Period. In order to use the selective Gore counts Florida would have had to violate the 14th amendment and run past the Dec 12 deadline. There was no practical or expedient remedy that wouldn't violate the law.

The fact of the matter is that the left was simply incensed at the Bush victory and has battled the issue with deflections and misinterpretations that are self-serving and disrespectful of the law--just like they always do when they don't get their way. The last two Q&A make the intent of the writer of your sophomoric link quite evident.
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Re: American Arrogance

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:13 pm

franco b wrote:Yeah I remember the good old days of jimmy Carter. The pompous posturing manikin you worship is sure to fix all these things. Please keep your profane hands off Saint Ronald.


I guess he realizes people are tired of hearing it's Bush's fault so now......... It's Reagan's Fault!. :rofl:
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