Senate Passes Health Care Bill

Senate Passes Health Care Bill

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:43 am

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1 ... 7923104141

WASHINGTON -- The Senate approved sweeping health-overhaul legislation on Thursday, a landmark moment for White House-led efforts to expand insurance coverage to more than 30 million Americans.

The bill, approved by a 60-39 vote, would deliver on a long-promised Democratic goal of extending coverage to nearly every American, and would represent the biggest expansion of the federal safety net since the 1965 creation of Medicare, the health-insurance program for the elderly and disabled.

Thursday's vote was a victory for President Barack Obama, who made the issue his top domestic priority despite lingering divisions among Democrats and the fierce opposition of Republicans. And it was a validation of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's decision to build consensus on his side of the aisle, rather than reach across party lines, a move that would have forced a lowering of ambitions.
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Re: Senate Passes Health Care Bill

PostBy: KLook On: Thu Dec 24, 2009 9:19 am

Must have found another money tree, maybe Teddy sent one down (or up). We live in interesting times and the march to Socialism continues. :( Now what will he turn his evil eye to? The first amendment? The second? :shock: He'd better fix Gitmo and the wars and do it cheap. :lol:

Kevin
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Re: Senate Passes Health Care Bill

PostBy: GeorgiePorgie On: Thu Dec 24, 2009 10:07 am

It's not a good bill, it simply gives more customers to the insurance companies !

Many people were very upset when mandatory car insurance became law, but guess what, if you don't own a car, or if you don't drive your car you don't need to pay the insurance.

And I believe if you can show financial responsibility, you don't have to pay the premiums to some insurance carrier.

This one is worse, you must always carry insurance as long as you are alive ! and if you can not afford it, tough, you are breaking the law, and you'll pay penalty !
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Re: Senate Passes Health Care Bill

PostBy: coalkirk On: Thu Dec 24, 2009 10:12 am

And enforced via the tax code/IRS. Time to bring back debtors prisons. That's how this country got started, to get away from such gov't heavy handedness. Time for a change!
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Re: Senate Passes Health Care Bill

PostBy: KLook On: Thu Dec 24, 2009 10:22 am

Ah but you make such statements in your ignorance! I have been reading some good books about the Intellectual/social engineers that have your best interests at heart and have to make these kinds of decisions for you because it is beyond your comprehension to understand what needs to be done to move us nearer to the "Great Society" we can become! Some of them are proponents of forced sterilization. Maybe that is next.

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Re: Senate Passes Health Care Bill

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:10 am

I want health care reform. I hope that President Obama does a line by line veto of parts of this bill. If he doesn't well I think he will be out of there in just 3 short years. I know there is enough pork in the bill to kill us all. things that made the balance sheet skyrocket but has nothing to do with the cost of health care, same old same old. The ones that had to have there pork to vote should be voted out. I know from now on if you have to have pork with your bill you have lost my vote also special interest money, yep your all out Congress man and Senators as far as I'm concerned. I'm voting for a new crop of political intellectuals. people that want to do honest work for honest pay and believe that this country can do the right thing without pork and special interest groups. What a waste of over 200 years experience. Would any of you hire these people that say they have done the right thing? To bad, to bad indeed!
If the American people don't finally get there act together and vote with some common sense then China should just take over since we are the stupidest people on the planet. We won't be 3rd world we will soon be 5th world.
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Re: Senate Passes Health Care Bill

PostBy: KLook On: Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:18 am

Basic human nature has never changed. Period. Technology and such do nothing to advance human nature just human condition. It has changed the ability to sway the masses with lightning fast media coverage of events. And biased reporting of events with "expert" talking heads everywhere.

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Re: Senate Passes Health Care Bill

PostBy: stockingfull On: Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:32 am

"Pork" is what goes to other states or congressional districts. If it comes home, it's "bacon." 8-) And that "bacon" has gotten people reelected for as long as anybody can remember. To carry the analogy a step further, what we've seen in the healthcare reform process is nothing new; it's the same sausage-factory which Congress has been from the beginning of the Republic. The only difference is that the media coverage and heat surrounding the issue have exposed us to things we never paid attention to before.

On healthcare reform, the GOP bet the ranch that, if they refused to participate, the Dems could never put a package together to get the 60 votes they'd need for cloture in the Senate. They nearly succeeded, but the cost of their gamble was loss of all control over the process.

Now the law will be there as a platform which can be amended when needed. Call it a Trojan Horse if you like, but it will operate more like a trigger: if the insurance companies continue to jack rates through the roof, you'll see their antitrust exemption go away, and/or a public option established and/or Medicare expanded to compete with them.

And Joe Lieberman? Dead man walking.
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Re: Senate Passes Health Care Bill

PostBy: coalkirk On: Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:50 am

At a time when our nation is in such horrible financial straights and after Obama promised to not do business as ususal by eliminating pork and offering transparency (posting legislation online ahead of time, etc.) this is a disgrace! It's based on lies, smoke and mirrors. It starts collecting taxes now and offers no beneifts until 2013. It's a thinly veiled back door to socialized medicine and a dark day for our country. The repubs wanted no parts of it. This bill is owned lock stock and barrel by the dems. Lets see what happpens in 2010 and 2012 elections. Then we will see who are the dead men walking.
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Re: Senate Passes Health Care Bill

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:58 am

If the repubs honestly want no part in it then there would be no repub pork in it, but there is.
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Re: Senate Passes Health Care Bill

PostBy: KLook On: Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:25 pm

Hopefully, they are the first to go.

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Re: Senate Passes Health Care Bill

PostBy: Captain Michael On: Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:38 pm

Anybody notice there is no TORT reform metioned anywhere in the pig slop of a bill!!!!!!
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Re: Senate Passes Health Care Bill

PostBy: KLook On: Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:57 pm

Don't be foolish, they are all lawyers and there isn't any way they are going to do Tort reform.

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Re: Senate Passes Health Care Bill

PostBy: rberq On: Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:44 pm

coalkirk wrote:The repubs wanted no parts of it.

The repubs' stated goal was to stop the bill to "break" the Obama presidency. It had little to do with the merits of the bill itself. That is cynical and irresponsible behavior.
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Re: Senate Passes Health Care Bill

PostBy: dll On: Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:53 pm

There is no better term for the ObamaCare Bill than Despotism. It's all very well for Congressmen and Senators to look out for their states, but this bill is a pure transfer payment from hard working non-union workers to Democratic supporters.

There is built into the bill a 40% tax on the most comprehensive -- and thus most expensive -- health care plans: But it does not apply to everyone. Longshoremen, for instance, are exempt -- and of course their unions have negotiated some of the most comprehensive healthcare short of what Congress gets.

Other lines of work, nearly all heavily unionized, are exempt from the 40% tax (which will pretty well eliminate these plans for those who aren't exempt from the tax). Also, 17 States will be exempt; for the rest it's just too bad. There is no attempt at an explanation for these arbitrary transfers from those taxed to those not taxed. There is no logical reason why some are taxed and some are not. It's simply a set of earmarks, rewards to those supporting the "plan" and punishment for those who don't.

It's exactly what the Constitution was designed to prevent, a despotic transfer of wealth from one group to another.

Change you can believe in, Chicago Style.
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