The Power & Danger of Iconography

Re: The Power & Danger of Iconography

PostBy: stockingfull On: Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:57 am

1. This has been off-topic since the 7th post.

2. Les Otten is a "Republican for Maine." Does that change anyone's mind? :roll:
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Re: The Power & Danger of Iconography

PostBy: mr1precision On: Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:04 pm

stockingfull wrote:1.
2. Les Otten is a "Republican for Maine." Does that change anyone's mind? :roll:


That was the 5th post. Thanks ;)
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Re: The Power & Danger of Iconography

PostBy: stockingfull On: Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:09 pm

I was giving the Otten post credit for at least being graphically on-topic! 8-)

Which made the question, "Is a GOP 'O' somehow less graphically insidious than a Dem 'O'?"
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Re: The Power & Danger of Iconography

PostBy: mr1precision On: Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:16 pm

stockingfull wrote:I was giving the Otten post credit for at least being graphically on-topic! 8-)

Which made the question, "Is a GOP 'O' somehow less graphically insidious than a Dem 'O'?"


No, I think the reaction was, yikes he's trying to be one of them.
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Re: The Power & Danger of Iconography

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:23 pm

mr1precision wrote:
stockingfull wrote:I was giving the Otten post credit for at least being graphically on-topic! 8-)

Which made the question, "Is a GOP 'O' somehow less graphically insidious than a Dem 'O'?"


No, I think the reaction was, yikes he's trying to be one of them.



Oh please. The GOP is just pissed off because the democrats out propaganda-ed them. For years the dems had poorly run campaigns while the GOP had a closely honed machine. Seriously, John Kerry? "Reporting for duty" was your message?

I've spent a bit of time with Chuck DeFeo (google him) over the last few years talking about politics, messaging, and technology. The GOP plays the same game as the dems, they just didn't play it as well in 2008.
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Re: The Power & Danger of Iconography

PostBy: stockingfull On: Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:31 pm

mr1precision wrote:
stockingfull wrote:I was giving the Otten post credit for at least being graphically on-topic! 8-)

Which made the question, "Is a GOP 'O' somehow less graphically insidious than a Dem 'O'?"


No, I think the reaction was, yikes he's trying to be one of them.

I agree with Erik: Wouldn't it be rather politically dumb not to?

To the extent that the original suggestion in the vid that the "iconography" has dangerous potential, or already has become dangerous, is valid, isn't it our job to be aware of it and act accordingly? I mean, rather than the politicians' jobs not to do it?

That's like saying, "the Republicans routinely do last-minute negative advertising in the forms of robo-calls and slanderous BS against their opponents (which they in fact do in my area). So nobody should do that." But, excuse me, they've been winning doing that. So why should Democrats bring boxing gloves to a knife fight?

So, back to Mr. Otten, why shouldn't he adapt a successful logo for his campaign? Especially when he's an "O" candidate himself? In a society with freedom of speech, the alternatives are the kinds of things Republicans go to the Supreme Court to oppose.
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Re: The Power & Danger of Iconography

PostBy: SMITTY On: Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:21 pm

Regardless of what political party the candidate is from, anyone using anything resembling the "O" in their campaign I'd tend to avoid. That symbol represents Obama's plan to turn America into Europe. I want no part of it.

...Unless it's in that LOL sticker! :lol:
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Re: The Power & Danger of Iconography

PostBy: mr1precision On: Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:22 pm

The "O" brand is not a brand I'd care to align myself with. Anyone that does might suffer the consequence next fall. Hopefully!
Obama is the president now, he doesnt need to continue to use the logo anymore. The election is over! Whats the matter, the presidential seal isnt good enough for him? Please.
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Re: The Power & Danger of Iconography

PostBy: Hollyfeld On: Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:46 pm

For the stickers, click here : http://www.cafepress.com/dd/34409833
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Re: The Power & Danger of Iconography

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:13 pm

The Les Otten info points to the power of the topic, iconography.

If you were from another region and were not told of his political allegiance, what would you assume based on the imagery?

I am baffled by the co opting of the Obama symbol. It is either pure stupidity or if you realize that, in the end, there is no difference between the current political choices, it makes perfect sense.


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Re: The Power & Danger of Iconography

PostBy: SMITTY On: Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:17 pm

Black_And_Blue wrote:If you were from another region and were not told of his political allegiance, what would you assume based on the imagery?

Great point ... because I automatically assumed he was a Dem. :shock: ... Until I saw stockingfull's post.

The fact that he is actually an R doesn't change my opinion.
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Re: The Power & Danger of Iconography

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:09 am

SMITTY wrote:Neither I, nor anyone I know, has had an unlawful search & seizure due to anything Bush did in regards to the 4th amendment. I think if this happened to anyone, the liberal media would swarm over this story like flies on a hot steamy pile of *censored*, just to make a point in their favor.

If that means unlawful searches & seizures of terrorists, then I'm all for it.


How about the "John Doe" librarians in Connecticut that refused to turn over lists of what certain people were checking out?

Did those "certain people" have their rights violated?

FTR, I've been screaming about the "PATRIOT" Act since day one so I can be pissed off now too. :D

Oh, and that "liberal media"??......bread and circus.
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Re: The Power & Danger of Iconography

PostBy: stockingfull On: Tue Dec 29, 2009 1:12 pm

jpete wrote:
SMITTY wrote:Neither I, nor anyone I know, has had an unlawful search & seizure due to anything Bush did in regards to the 4th amendment. I think if this happened to anyone, the liberal media would swarm over this story like flies on a hot steamy pile of *censored*, just to make a point in their favor.

If that means unlawful searches & seizures of terrorists, then I'm all for it.


How about the "John Doe" librarians in Connecticut that refused to turn over lists of what certain people were checking out?

Did those "certain people" have their rights violated?

FTR, I've been screaming about the "PATRIOT" Act since day one so I can be pissed off now too. :D

That makes two of us. I'll take a "socialist" healthcare program or the peril of "iconography" over the loss of my constitutional right to privacy any day of the week.

SAPMA ("sneak and peek my a$$"). :mad:
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Re: The Power & Danger of Iconography

PostBy: mr1precision On: Tue Dec 29, 2009 1:27 pm

If things keep going the way they are, you'll probably have all three.
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